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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 05/12] xen/pvclock: add monotonicity check
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:27:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c7f37ead-3cf2-4277-a44e-425a7b940d31@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AD6B1F0.6030904@goop.org>

> On 10/14/09 20:26, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> > As long as we are going through the trouble of making
> > this monotonic, shouldn't it be monotonically increasing
> > (rather than just monotonically non-decreasing)?  The
> > rdtsc instruction and any suitably high-precision
> > hardware timer will never return the same value
> > on subsequent uses so this might be a reasonable
> > precedent to obey.  E.g.
> >
> > +	return ret > xen_clocksource.cycle_last ?
> > +		ret : ++xen_clocksource.cycle_last;
> 
> No, cycle_last isn't updated on every read, only on timer ticks.  This
> test doesn't seem to be intended to make sure that every
> clocksource_read is globally monotonic, but just to avoid 
> some boundary
> conditions in the timer interrupt.  I just copied it directly from
> read_tsc().

I understand but you are now essentially emulating a
reliable platform timer with a potentially unreliable
(but still high resolution) per-CPU timer AND probably
delivering that result to userland.

Read_tsc should only be used if either CONSTANT_TSC
or TSC_RELIABLE is true, so read_tsc is guaranteed
to be monotonically-strictly-increasing by hardware
(and enforced for CONSTANT_TSC by check_tsc_warp
at boot).

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-15 13:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-14 19:28 [GIT PULL RFC] pvclock cleanups and pvclock vsyscall support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 01/12] x86/vsyscall: use common implementation for vgetcpu Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 02/12] x86/vgetcpu: ignore tcache in common code Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 03/12] x86/vsyscall: use common implementation for vgettimeofday Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 04/12] kvm/pvclock: add monotonicity check Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 05/12] xen/pvclock: " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-15  3:26   ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-15  5:24     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-15 13:27       ` Dan Magenheimer [this message]
2009-10-15 19:19         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-16  1:32         ` john stultz
2009-10-16  3:10           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-16 17:58             ` john stultz
2009-10-18  8:18               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 06/12] x86/pvclock: make sure rdtsc doesn't speculate out of region Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 07/12] pvclock: there's no need to copy time_info into shadow Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 08/12] x86: create specific X86_VSYSCALL config variable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 09/12] sched: add notifier for cross-cpu migrations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 10/12] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 11/12] x86/fixmap: add a predicate for usermode fixmaps Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 12/12] xen/time: add pvclock_clocksource_vread support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-15  6:51 ` [GIT PULL RFC] pvclock cleanups and pvclock vsyscall support Avi Kivity
2009-10-15 19:46   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-18  6:43     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-18  8:18       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-18  8:23         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-18  8:44           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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