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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
To: "Zhao, Yan Y" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2025 16:13:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cd806e9a190c6915cde16a6d411c32df133a265b.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aGNrlWw1K6nkWdmg@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>

On Tue, 2025-07-01 at 13:01 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > Maybe Yan can clarify here. I thought the HWpoison scenario was about TDX
> > module
> My thinking is to set HWPoison to private pages whenever KVM_BUG_ON() was hit
> in
> TDX. i.e., when the page is still mapped in S-EPT but the TD is bugged on and
> about to tear down.
> 
> So, it could be due to KVM or TDX module bugs, which retries can't help.

We were going to call back into guestmemfd for this, right? Not set it inside
KVM code.

What about a kvm_gmem_buggy_cleanup() instead of the system wide one. KVM calls
it and then proceeds to bug the TD only from the KVM side. It's not as safe for
the system, because who knows what a buggy TDX module could do. But TDX module
could also be buggy without the kernel catching wind of it.

Having a single callback to basically bug the fd would solve the atomic context
issue. Then guestmemfd could dump the entire fd into memory_failure() instead of
returning the pages. And developers could respond by fixing the bug.

IMO maintainability needs to be balanced with efforts to minimize the fallout
from bugs. In the end a system that is too complex is going to have more bugs
anyway.

> 
> > bugs. Not TDX busy errors, demote failures, etc. If there are "normal"
> > failures,
> > like the ones that can be fixed with retries, then I think HWPoison is not a
> > good option though.
> > 
> > >   there is a way to make 100%
> > > sure all memory becomes re-usable by the rest of the host, using
> > > tdx_buggy_shutdown(), wbinvd, etc?
> 
> Not sure about this approach. When TDX module is buggy and the page is still
> accessible to guest as private pages, even with no-more SEAMCALLs flag, is it
> safe enough for guest_memfd/hugetlb to re-assign the page to allow
> simultaneous
> access in shared memory with potential private access from TD or TDX module?

With the no more seamcall's approach it should be safe (for the system). This is
essentially what we are doing for kexec.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-01 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 294+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-24  3:00 [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] KVM: gmem: Allocate 2M huge page from guest_memfd backend Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:48   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:41     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  6:51   ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  7:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:52   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  9:05     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:10       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-19  9:26       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-23  9:32         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15  2:16   ` Chao Gao
2025-05-16  9:07     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08  8:48   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 13:55     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:29       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:32         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 22:06           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 23:16             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 23:31               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09  2:23       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-09 14:08         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  7:12   ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  7:17     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  7:25       ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  9:24         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15  8:26     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:28       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:23         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 21:15         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] KVM: TDX: Enforce 4KB mapping level during TD build Time Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:55   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:12   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15  9:16     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:32       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 10:05         ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] KVM: TDX: Enhance tdx_clear_page() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:17   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:02     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] KVM: TDX: Assert the reclaimed pages were mapped as expected Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:11     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:34       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] KVM: TDX: Add a helper for WBINVD on huge pages with TD's keyID Yan Zhao
2025-05-06  8:37   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-16  3:10     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:29   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  3:03     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:35       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-29  0:17   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-29  0:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 13:46       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06  0:53         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06  5:08           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06  6:04             ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 13:18               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-07  7:37                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-07 14:56                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-08  1:30                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-08 14:10                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09  3:20                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 14:20                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 23:45                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-10  0:41                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-12 21:59                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12  2:15                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 16:53                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15  3:01                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-04 20:02                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05  2:42                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 21:12                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 10:43                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 23:27                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-11 14:30                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-16  9:59                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  0:12                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  1:38                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 15:52                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  0:19                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  0:41                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-23  9:27                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-23 18:20                                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
     [not found]                                                       ` <draft-diqzh606mcz0.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com>
2025-06-23 22:48                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 10:18                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 21:29                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:22                                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:00                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:14                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 23:30                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25  0:01                                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25  7:29                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 23:09                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25 23:19                                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26 15:16                                                                     ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-26 22:19                                                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-27 17:59                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 11:13                                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 17:55                                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-30 19:25                                                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:45                                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  5:01                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  5:22                                                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  6:03                                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  7:13                                                                                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:15                                                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 22:09                                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 11:24                                                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 18:43                                                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-03  4:54                                                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-14 19:32                                                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 16:13                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2025-07-01 21:48                                                                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 21:57                                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:37                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 20:57                                                                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:51                                                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 21:19                                                                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-11  1:46                                                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-11  5:12                                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-11 16:14                                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-14 19:49                                                                                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-15 15:08                                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-15 22:31                                                                                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02  9:08                                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:28                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  5:07                                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 22:01                                                                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:26                                                                                     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:47                                                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  9:35                                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 13:32                                                                                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:02                                                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 15:42                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 16:14                                                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  8:54                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:12                                                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25  7:08                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 22:54                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:03                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  0:25                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  2:00                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  3:51                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17  6:52                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  8:09                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17  9:57                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:25                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  0:34                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  0:46                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:33                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:13                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  6:21                                                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:32                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  6:44                                                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:57                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:29                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-19  0:22                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05  2:47                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 22:35                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19  8:11                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 18:06                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-16  1:23                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-16 20:57                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18  5:49                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22  5:33                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22  6:37                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22 17:55                                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 19:00                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 21:44                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Enable 2MB mapping size after TD is RUNNABLE Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  1:35     ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16  9:43       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:35         ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16 23:47           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  8:32           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 16:53             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20  9:34               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:47                 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11 14:42                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-12 23:39                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13  0:25                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  0:44                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13  0:47                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  1:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 21:53                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13 22:19                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13 23:33                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-16  3:14                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 22:49                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  0:52                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  0:30                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 16:31                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-23 21:44                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24  9:57                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 18:35                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25  9:28                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25  9:36                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 14:48                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26  0:50                                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 14:47                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26  8:53                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  0:42                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  2:41                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 15:36                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  0:12                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02  0:18                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  1:07                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:26                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  3:31                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 13:47                                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25 15:51                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  1:22                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 11:32                                               ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-20 16:32                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 17:44                                                   ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-20 18:40                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 19:26                                                       ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-13  2:41                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-13  3:29                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13  5:35                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13  6:08                           ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-21 15:40                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-22  3:52                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-23 23:40                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-27  1:31                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:34             ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-21  2:35               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16  9:28     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  4:01     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:50       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  3:57         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 17:42           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] KVM: x86: Add "vcpu" "gfn" parameters to x86 hook private_max_mapping_level Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] KVM: TDX: Determine max mapping level according to vCPU's ACCEPT level Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  6:12     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-16  6:30     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:02       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  6:39         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:17           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Invoke split_external_spt hook with exclusive mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:06   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  9:17     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:11       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  4:01         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:21           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20  5:40   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20  9:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] KVM: TDX: Support huge page splitting with exclusive kvm->mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-20  6:18   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20  9:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:47   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_boundary_leafs() to split boundary leafs Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:56   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  7:46     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16  8:03       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:27         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  8:12           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 11:44       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:16         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] KVM: x86: Split huge boundary leafs before private to shared conversion Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 23:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12  2:25     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 21:53       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] KVM: gmem: Split huge boundary leafs for punch hole of private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:19   ` Francesco Lavra
2025-04-25  1:55     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:59   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  8:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] KVM: x86: Force a prefetch fault's max mapping level to 4KB for TDX Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  8:43     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-21  3:30   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-21  5:03     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] KVM: x86: Ignore splitting huge pages in fault path " Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:58   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  6:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:33   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  9:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  9:08       ` Juergen Gross
2025-04-24  9:49       ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:39         ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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