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Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:15:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 05:15:38 +0100 From: "Arnd Bergmann" To: "Johannes Berg" , "Philipp Hortmann" , "Andrew Lunn" , "David S . Miller" , "Eric Dumazet" , "Jakub Kicinski" , "Paolo Abeni" , "Geoff Levand" , "Simon Horman" , "Alexander Lobakin" , Netdev , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: "Kalle Valo" , "Alexandre Belloni" , "Claudiu Beznea" , "Geert Uytterhoeven" , "Greg Kroah-Hartman" , "Jeff Johnson" , "Larry Finger" , "Nicolas Ferre" , "Pavel Machek" , "Stanislaw Gruszka" , "Gregory Greenman" , linuxppc-dev , linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, "Stefan Lippers-Hollmann" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8414fd0c552de87b3471468665f7fc540b9bfa69.camel@sipsolutions.net> References: <20241224080755.194508-1-philipp.g.hortmann@gmail.com> <39256db9-3d73-4e86-a49b-300dfd670212@gmail.com> <8414fd0c552de87b3471468665f7fc540b9bfa69.camel@sipsolutions.net> Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: ethernet: toshiba: ps3_gelic_wireless: Remove driver using deprecated API wext Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, at 13:44, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2025-01-03 at 07:44 +0100, Philipp Hortmann wrote: >> >> One of my big fears is the hand over to the next generation maintainers >> and developers. The less code and the less exceptions due to old >> interfaces the easier it will be. We loose maintainers and developers >> for many reasons, like: retirement, burnout, embargos or simply because >> they are not paid and need to earn money. After giving some support on >> the staging subsystem I cannot see at all that we can attract so many >> talented people as required for a save future beyond 7 years... > > I wouldn't say that's necessarily a wrong sentiment, but I feel future > maintainers can also make that decision, and if it's "years" in the > future the relevance will only go down anyway. > > We just started putting some pressure into the system for removal of > wext and nl80211 support (with WiFi7 devices no longer supporting wext) > so chances are at least here the situation will change, and anyway wext > stuff will become less relevant, perhaps to the point that other tools > will drop support for it anyway. Not wpa_supplicant though, I suppose :) I would assume that once removing CFG80211_WEXT becomes an option, we can just put the remaining parts of net/wireless/wext-*.c into both ps3_gelic and ipw2x00, duplicating and then simplifying the implementation. As far as I can tell, there is very little that is actually shared between the two anyway. Arnd