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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Weijiang Yang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
Cc: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, john.allen@amd.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	binbin.wu@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 09/19] KVM:x86: Make guest supervisor states as non-XSAVE managed
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 23:32:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf97cfba-941a-5a77-6591-fa84ef6fe8d1@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZM1jV3UPL0AMpVDI@google.com>

On 8/4/23 22:45, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>>> +void save_cet_supervisor_ssp(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
>>>> +{
>>>> +	if (unlikely(guest_can_use(vcpu, X86_FEATURE_SHSTK))) {
> Drop the unlikely, KVM should not speculate on the guest configuration or underlying
> hardware.

In general unlikely() can still be a good idea if you have a fast path 
vs. a slow path; the extra cost of a branch will be much more visible on 
the fast path.  That said the compiler should already be doing that.

>  the Pros:
>   - Super easy to implement for KVM.
>   - Automatically avoids saving and restoring this data when the vmexit
>     is handled within KVM.
>
>  the Cons:
>   - Unnecessarily restores XFEATURE_CET_KERNEL when switching to
>     non-KVM task's userspace.
>   - Forces allocating space for this state on all tasks, whether or not
>     they use KVM, and with likely zero users today and the near future.
>   - Complicates the FPU optimization thinking by including things that
>     can have no affect on userspace in the FPU

I'm not sure if Linux will ever use XFEATURE_CET_KERNEL.  Linux does not 
use MSR_IA32_PL{1,2}_SSP; MSR_IA32_PL0_SSP probably would be per-CPU but 
it is not used while in ring 0 (except for SETSSBSY) and the restore can 
be delayed until return to userspace.  It is not unlike the SYSCALL MSRs.

So I would treat the bit similar to the dynamic features even if it's 
not guarded by XFD, for example

#define XFEATURE_MASK_USER_DYNAMIC XFEATURE_MASK_XTILE_DATA
#define XFEATURE_MASK_USER_OPTIONAL \
	(XFEATURE_MASK_DYNAMIC | XFEATURE_MASK_CET_KERNEL)

where XFEATURE_MASK_USER_DYNAMIC is used for xfd-related tasks but 
everything else uses XFEATURE_MASK_USER_OPTIONAL.

Then you'd enable the feature by hand when allocating the guest fpstate.

> Especially because another big negative is that not utilizing XSTATE bleeds into
> KVM's ABI.  Userspace has to be told to manually save+restore MSRs instead of just
> letting KVM_{G,S}ET_XSAVE handle the state.  And that will create a bit of a
> snafu if Linux does gain support for SSS.

I don't think this matters, we don't have any MSRs in KVM_GET/SET_XSAVE 
and in fact we can't even add them since the uABI uses the non-compacted 
format.  MSRs should be retrieved and set via KVM_GET/SET_MSR and 
userspace will learn about the index automatically via 
KVM_GET_MSR_INDEX_LIST.

Paolo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-04 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-03  4:27 [PATCH v5 00/19] Enable CET Virtualization Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 01/19] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPU feature flags for shadow stacks Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 02/19] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 03/19] KVM:x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 04/19] KVM:x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 16:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 21:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  3:11       ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-08 14:20     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07  6:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  8:56     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10  0:01       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-10  1:12         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 05/19] KVM:x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-08 15:08     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 06/19] KVM:x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 07/19] KVM:x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  9:07   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 08/19] KVM:x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 10:39   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04  3:13     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04  5:51       ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 18:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 22:01           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-08 15:16           ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-06  8:54         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 18:55   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-08 15:26     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  3:14     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 09/19] KVM:x86: Make guest supervisor states as non-XSAVE managed Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03 11:15   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04  3:26     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 20:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 20:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-04 21:32         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2023-08-09  2:51           ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-09  2:39         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10  9:29         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-10 14:29           ` Dave Hansen
2023-08-10 15:15             ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-10 15:37               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-11  3:03               ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-28 21:00               ` Dave Hansen
2023-08-29  7:05                 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 10/19] KVM:VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 11/19] KVM:VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  5:14   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 21:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-04 21:45       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-04 22:21         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-07  7:03           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-06  8:44       ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-07  7:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-04  8:28   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09  7:12     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  3:05     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 12/19] KVM:x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  7:53   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-04 15:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-06  9:14       ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 13/19] KVM:VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  8:16   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-06  9:22     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-07  1:16       ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09  6:11         ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 14/19] KVM:VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  8:23   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 15/19] KVM:x86: Optimize CET supervisor SSP save/reload Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04  8:43   ` Chao Gao
2023-08-09  9:00     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 16/19] KVM:x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Yang Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 17/19] KVM:x86: Enable guest CET supervisor xstate bit support Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 22:02   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-08-09  6:07     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 18/19] KVM:nVMX: Refine error code injection to nested VM Yang Weijiang
2023-08-04 21:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-09  3:00     ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-08-03  4:27 ` [PATCH v5 19/19] KVM:nVMX: Enable CET support for " Yang Weijiang

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