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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
Cc: lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	baohua@kernel.org, shikemeng@huaweicloud.com, kasong@tencent.com,
	nphamcs@gmail.com, bhe@redhat.com, chrisl@kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] huge_mm.h: disallow is_huge_zero_folio(NULL)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 09:57:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d048aac6-7b70-44b7-9e92-7277bd49b182@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250827165309.44e465ff214e45f1a6665b24@linux-foundation.org>

On 28.08.25 01:53, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 17:03:30 +0200 Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com> wrote:
> 
>> Calling is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should not be legal - it makes no
>> sense, and a different (theoretical) implementation may dereference
>> the pointer.  But currently, lacking any explicit documentation, this
>> call is possible.
>>
>> But if somebody really passes NULL, the function should not return
>> true - this isn't the huge zero folio after all!  However, if the
>> `huge_zero_folio` hasn't been allocated yet, it's NULL, and
>> is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) just happens to return true, which is a lie.
>>
>> This weird side effect prevented me from reproducing a kernel crash
>> that occurred when the elements of a folio_batch were NULL - since
>> folios_put_refs() skips huge zero folios, this sometimes causes a
>> crash, but sometimes does not.  For debugging, it is better to reveal
>> such bugs reliably and not hide them behind random preconditions like
>> "has the huge zero folio already been created?"
>>
>> To improve detection of such bugs, David Hildenbrand suggested adding
>> a VM_WARN_ON_ONCE().
>>
>> ...
>>
>> --- a/include/linux/huge_mm.h
>> +++ b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
>> @@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
>>   #ifndef _LINUX_HUGE_MM_H
>>   #define _LINUX_HUGE_MM_H
>>   
>> +#include <linux/mmdebug.h> // for VM_WARN_ON_ONCE()
>>   #include <linux/mm_types.h>
>>   
>>   #include <linux/fs.h> /* only for vma_is_dax() */
>> @@ -479,6 +480,8 @@ extern unsigned long huge_zero_pfn;
>>   
>>   static inline bool is_huge_zero_folio(const struct folio *folio)
>>   {
>> +	VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(folio == NULL);
>> +
>>   	return READ_ONCE(huge_zero_folio) == folio;
>>   }
> 
> OK, but it remains the case that we have seen code which calls
> is_huge_zero_folio() prior to the initialization of huge_zero_folio.
> 
> Is this a bug?  I think so.  Should we be checking for recurrences of
> this bug?

As answered elsewhere, this is perfectly fine as the huge zero folio is 
allocated on demand only (and only once enabled).

> 
> 
> Also, sigh.  I do dislike seeing VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() in an inline
> function - heaven knows how much bloat that adds.  Defconfig
> mm/huge_memory.o (which has three calls) grows by 80 bytes so I guess
> that's livable with.

Common practice to use VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() and friend in inline functions. 
Just look at page-flags.h.

If someone complains about kernel image size with CONFIG_DEBUG_VM, they 
shopuld reevaluate life choices. :)

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-28  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-26 23:16 [PATCH 1/2] huge_mm.h: is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should return false Max Kellermann
2025-08-26 23:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/swap: add BUG_ON(folio==NULL) to folios_put_refs() Max Kellermann
2025-08-27  1:42   ` Zi Yan
2025-08-27  2:12     ` Chris Li
2025-08-27  9:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27  1:19 ` [PATCH 1/2] huge_mm.h: is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should return false Zi Yan
2025-08-27  1:55 ` Andrew Morton
2025-08-27  4:39   ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27  9:36     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 10:13       ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 11:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 13:06           ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 14:34             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 15:03               ` [PATCH v2] huge_mm.h: disallow is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 15:16                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-27 15:38                   ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 20:01                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 20:26                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 20:44                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-28  8:48                     ` [PATCH v3] " Max Kellermann
2025-08-28  9:35                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-29  1:25                       ` Zi Yan
2025-08-27 23:53                 ` [PATCH v2] " Andrew Morton
2025-08-28  5:17                   ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-28  7:57                   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-27 15:05               ` [PATCH 1/2] huge_mm.h: is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should return false Max Kellermann
2025-08-27  9:35   ` David Hildenbrand

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