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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Yin Fengwei" <fengwei.yin@intel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Yu Zhao" <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Anshuman Khandual" <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Itaru Kitayama <itaru.kitayama@gmail.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: <linux-mm@kvack.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 5/9] mm: thp: Extend THP to allocate anonymous large folios
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:25:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d07c45bb-4eba-484c-bba1-b586136f8cdb@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5993c198-0d27-46c3-b757-3a02c2aacfc9@arm.com>

On 10/30/23 04:43, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> On 28/10/2023 00:04, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 9/29/23 04:44, Ryan Roberts wrote:
...
>>>    +static bool vmf_pte_range_changed(struct vm_fault *vmf, int nr_pages)
>>> +{
>>> +    int i;
>>> +
>>> +    if (nr_pages == 1)
>>> +        return vmf_pte_changed(vmf);
>>> +
>>> +    for (i = 0; i < nr_pages; i++) {
>>> +        if (!pte_none(ptep_get_lockless(vmf->pte + i)))
>>> +            return true;
>>
>> This seems like something different than the function name implies.
>> It's really confusing: for a single page case, return true if the
>> pte in the page tables has changed, yes that is very clear.
>>
>> But then for multiple page cases, which is really the main
>> focus here--for that, claim that the range has changed if any
>> pte is present (!pte_none). Can you please help me understand
>> what this means?
> 
> Yes I understand your confusion. Although I'm confident that the code is
> correct, its a bad name - I'll make the excuse that this has evolved through
> rebasing to cope with additions to UFFD. Perhaps something like
> vmf_is_large_folio_suitable() is a better name.
> 
> It used to be that we would only take the do_anonymous_page() path if the pte
> was none; i.e. this is the first time we are faulting on an address covered by
> an anon VMA and we need to allocate some memory. But more recently we also end
> up here if the pte is a uffd_wp marker. So for a single pte, instead of checking
> none, we can check if the pte has changed from our original check (where we
> determined it was a uffd_wp marker or none). But for multiple ptes, we don't
> have storage to store all the original ptes from the first check.
> 
> Fortunately, if uffd is in use for a vma, then we don't want to use a large
> folio anyway (this would break uffd semantics because we would no longer get a
> fault for every page). So we only care about the "same but not none" case for
> nr_pages=1.
> 
> Would changing the name to vmf_is_large_folio_suitable() help here?

Yes it would! And adding in a sentence or two from above about the uffd, as
a function-level comment might be just the right of demystification for
the code.

...
pte_offset_map() can only fail due to:
>>
>>      a) Wrong pmd type. These include:
>>          pmd_none
>>          pmd_bad
>>          pmd migration entry
>>          pmd_trans_huge
>>          pmd_devmap
>>
>>      b) __pte_map() failure
>>
>> For (a), why is it that -EAGAIN is used here? I see that that
>> will lead to a re-fault, I got that far, but am missing something
>> still.
>>
>> For (b), same question, actually. I'm not completely sure why
>> why a retry is going to fix a __pte_map() failure?
> 
> I'm not going to claim to understand all the details of this. But this is due to
> a change that Hugh introduced and we concluded at [1] that its always correct to
> return EAGAIN here to rerun the fault. In fact, with the current implementation
> pte_offset_map() should never fail for anon IIUC, but the view was that EAGAIN
> makes it safe for tomorrow, and because this would only fail due to a race,
> retrying is correct.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/8bdfd8d8-5662-4615-86dc-d60259bd16d@google.com/
> 

OK, got it.

...
>> And finally: is it accurate to say that there are *no* special
>> page flags being set, for PTE-mapped THPs? I don't see any here,
>> but want to confirm.
> 
> The page flags are coming from 'gfp = vma_thp_gfp_mask(vma)', which pulls in the
> correct flags based on transparent_hugepage/defrag file.
> 

OK that all is pretty clear now, thanks for the answers!


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard
NVIDIA


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-30 23:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-29 11:44 [PATCH v6 0/9] variable-order, large folios for anonymous memory Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] mm: Allow deferred splitting of arbitrary anon large folios Ryan Roberts
2023-10-05  8:19   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] mm: Non-pmd-mappable, large folios for folio_add_new_anon_rmap() Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 13:45   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-09-29 14:39     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] mm: thp: Account pte-mapped anonymous THP usage Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] mm: thp: Introduce anon_orders and anon_always_mask sysfs files Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 22:55   ` Andrew Morton
2023-10-02 10:15     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-07 22:54     ` Michael Ellerman
2023-10-10  0:20       ` Andrew Morton
2023-10-12  9:31         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-12 11:07         ` Michael Ellerman
2023-10-11  6:02   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] mm: thp: Extend THP to allocate anonymous large folios Ryan Roberts
2023-10-05 12:05   ` Daniel Gomez
2023-10-05 12:49     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-05 14:59       ` Daniel Gomez
2023-10-27 23:04   ` John Hubbard
2023-10-30 11:43     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-30 23:25       ` John Hubbard [this message]
2023-11-01 13:56         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] mm: thp: Add "recommend" option for anon_orders Ryan Roberts
2023-10-06 20:08   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-06 22:28     ` Yu Zhao
2023-10-09 11:45       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 14:43         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-09 20:04         ` Yu Zhao
2023-10-10 10:16           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] arm64/mm: Override arch_wants_pte_order() Ryan Roberts
2023-10-02 15:21   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-10-03  7:32     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-03 12:05       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] selftests/mm/cow: Generalize do_run_with_thp() helper Ryan Roberts
2023-09-29 11:44 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] selftests/mm/cow: Add tests for small-order anon THP Ryan Roberts
2023-10-06 20:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] variable-order, large folios for anonymous memory David Hildenbrand
2023-10-09 11:28   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 16:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-10 10:47       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-13 20:14         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-20 12:33   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 16:24     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 18:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-25 19:11         ` Yu Zhao
2023-10-26  9:53           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-26 15:19             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-25 19:10       ` John Hubbard
2023-10-31 11:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-31 11:55     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-31 12:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-31 13:13         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-31 18:29       ` Yang Shi
2023-11-01 14:02         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-01 18:11           ` Yang Shi
2023-10-31 11:58     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-10-31 13:12       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-13  3:57 ` John Hubbard
2023-11-13  5:18   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-13 10:19     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-13 11:52       ` Kefeng Wang
2023-11-13 12:12         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-13 14:52           ` Kefeng Wang
2023-11-13 14:52       ` John Hubbard
2023-11-13 15:04       ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-14 10:57         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-12-05 16:05           ` Matthew Wilcox

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