From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: toon@hout.vanvergehaald.nl, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, ltd@cisco.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, 7eggert@gmx.de
Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:05:15 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d120d50005060109051f9ade82@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <429DDA07.nail7BFA4XEC5@burner>
On 6/1/05, Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
> Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes it could but why should it? The purpose of udev is to maintain
> > dynamic /dev. Do you want to have thoustands quirks in udev to cope
> > with bazillion configuration files for utilities whose authors refuse
> > to adopt standard naming convention [for the operating system in
> > question].
>
> You show exactly the habbit that makes me unwiling to believe it makes
> sense to put effort into anything in Linux that is not at least 5 years old.
>
> 10 Years ago, Linux was completely unsuable with Linux /dev/sg* naming
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and mapping conventions. After I did develop an abstraction layer that
> made Linux usable people could use stable dev= parameters across
> reboots of Linux.
Joerg, that is the problem. It was 10 years ago. USB was not existant,
Firewire wasn't there, FC, etc. You could rely on your naming then.
But it was last millenium, now dev= parameters are anything but
stable. It just does not cut anymore, while using device node to
specify device you want to work with is natural. And I am willing to
bet if you give this oprion to users of other Unix-like OSes they
would not complain either.
--
Dmitry
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-01 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-05-30 9:19 OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-30 9:34 ` Toon van der Pas
2005-05-30 12:26 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 14:14 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-31 11:03 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31 7:29 ` Terry Vernon
2005-05-31 11:46 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-31 16:59 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-05-31 19:05 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-31 19:56 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01 15:56 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:20 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2005-06-01 16:55 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01 2:23 ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-01 15:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-03 13:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-01 16:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-06-01 15:41 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:11 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:42 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 16:55 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:29 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 17:50 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:59 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-02 1:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-02 1:46 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-02 1:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-03 19:51 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-01 22:06 ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 15:57 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-31 17:22 ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-31 19:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-31 20:54 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 15:53 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2005-06-01 17:03 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:28 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-02 2:08 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-01 17:35 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-02 10:34 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-01 16:21 ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 17:29 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:28 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:48 ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-30 13:38 ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-30 9:46 ` Joerg Schilling
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2005-05-30 22:00 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-31 11:17 ` Joerg Schilling
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[not found] ` <48cRq-7TH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <48cRq-7TH-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <48dDM-5I-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <48wdp-7lh-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-26 21:53 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-05-26 23:12 ` Lee Revell
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[not found] ` <E1Db3zm-0004vF-9j@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-25 22:46 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:31 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 19:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-26 21:26 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 23:30 ` Matthias Andree
2005-05-27 9:39 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-27 11:09 ` Wakko Warner
2005-05-27 14:21 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 9:07 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 10:47 ` Markus Plail
2005-05-30 22:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 23:20 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-05-30 23:35 ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-31 12:51 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31 12:47 ` Joerg Schilling
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505260205390.19389@be1.lrz>
2005-05-27 10:03 ` Joerg Schilling
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505271633200.3055@be1.lrz>
2005-05-30 9:36 ` Joerg Schilling
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505301326450.2363@be1.lrz>
2005-05-31 10:57 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 13:15 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:12 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 10:15 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26 11:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-25 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26 4:11 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-26 7:14 ` Markus Plail
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