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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	bp@alien8.de, luto@kernel.org, kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, jgross@suse.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/8] x86/mm: Simplify PAE page table handling
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 11:12:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d30244ff-daba-499f-b4ee-24486676359a@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5NIKGcgS2pMhZFn@8bytes.org>

On 1/23/25 23:58, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 03:06:26PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> 32-bit+PTI or 32-bit in general? ;)
> 
> +1 for removing x86-32 bit support alltogether.
> 
>> I'm curious what Joerg and the other folks that worked on 32-bit PTI
>> think about it in retrospect. The 32 vs. 64-bit security gap was
>> probably modest in 2018 and it can only have grown since then.
> 
> I think the decision to keep and maintain 32-bit support only makes
> sense if it can be kept on-par with x86-64 security-wise, otherwise we
> are lying to our users about the 'supported' part. Back in the day when
> I did the 32-bit PTI support it made sense, but that was 7 years ago.
> 
> When was the last 32-bit only x86 CPU sold?

Probably INTEL_QUARK_X1000, but it was mostly a toy. It's family 5, so
this applies:

static const __initconst struct x86_cpu_id cpu_vuln_whitelist[] = {
...
        VULNWL(INTEL,   5, X86_MODEL_ANY,       NO_SPECULATION),

Here's one that was released in 2015, probably just for embedded use:

> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/91947/intel-quark-microcontroller-d2000/specifications.html 

There were some Atoms in 2008 that seem to have had the 64-bit support
fused off. They were probably the last normal CPU that someone would
have in a PC that didn't have 64-bit support.

> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/24976/products-formerly-silverthorne.html
> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/36331/intel-atom-processor-n270-512k-cache-1-60-ghz-533-mhz-fsb/specifications.html

But these are also NO_SPECULATION, so don't need most of the mitigations.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-24 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-23 17:24 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] x86/mm: Simplify PAE page table handling Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/8] x86/mm: Always allocate a whole page for PAE PGDs Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/8] x86/mm: Always "broadcast" PMD setting operations Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/8] x86/mm: Always tell core mm to sync kernel mappings Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/8] x86/mm: Simplify PAE PGD sharing macros Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] x86/mm: Fix up comments around PMD preallocation Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] x86/mm: Preallocate all PAE page tables Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] x86/mm: Remove duplicated PMD preallocation macro Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 17:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] x86/mm: Remove now unused SHARED_KERNEL_PMD Dave Hansen
2025-01-23 21:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] x86/mm: Simplify PAE page table handling Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-23 23:06   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-24  7:58     ` Joerg Roedel
2025-01-24 19:12       ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2025-01-28  8:13         ` Joerg Roedel
2025-01-24  8:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-24 18:55 ` Ingo Molnar

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