From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 20 May 2001 20:29:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 20 May 2001 20:29:45 -0400 Received: from smtp1.cern.ch ([137.138.128.38]:21254 "EHLO smtp1.cern.ch") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 20 May 2001 20:29:32 -0400 To: John Cowan Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up In-Reply-To: <20010505192731.A2374@thyrsus.com> <20010513112543.A16121@thyrsus.com> <20010515173316.A8308@thyrsus.com> <3B054500.2090408@reutershealth.com> From: Jes Sorensen Date: 21 May 2001 02:29:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: John Cowan's message of "Fri, 18 May 2001 11:51:28 -0400" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070096 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.96) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >>>>> "John" == John Cowan writes: John> Jes Sorensen wrote: >> Telling them to install an updated gcc for kernel compilation is a >> necessary evil, which can easily be done without disturbing the >> rest of the system. Updating the system's python installation is >> not a reasonable request. John> Au contraire. It is very reasonable to have both python and John> python2 installed. Having two different gcc versions installed John> is a big pain in the arse. It's not unreasonable to have both installed, it's unreasonable to require it. Eric seems to think he can tell every distributor to ship Python2 tomorrow. Well it's a fine dream but it's not going to happen; Most distributors do not ship new major versions of tools in their minor number release versions. I've seen him mention the number 6 months until everybody ships it, but a) thats not going to happen Red Hat is currently at 7.1 (if one looks at their release history, one would say there is a good chance there will be a 7.2) not to mention the release rate of Debian (not sure about the current state of all other distributions). 18 months is more realistic for it to be deployed widely enough. >> So far I haven't heard a single developer say something positive >> about CML2, the most positive I have heard so far has been >> "whatever", "it's his choice", "I don't care", "I want to >> hack". The majority are of the "NO!" and "you got to be kiddin'". John> Anonymized hearsay evidence is less than convincing. Well I don't like to quote personal conversations without peoples' approval, now both David Woodhouse and Arjan are two examples. Jes