From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
To: Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>, <tony.luck@intel.com>, <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: <x86@kernel.org>, <Dave.Martin@arm.com>, <james.morse@arm.com>,
<corbet@lwn.net>, <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>, <tglx@kernel.org>,
<mingo@redhat.com>, <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
<hpa@zytor.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <eranian@google.com>,
<peternewman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86/resctrl, Documentation: Keep mbm_assign_mode "default" on boot
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2026 15:56:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d337915a-ef4c-43b2-a915-e97381b7dca0@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8cb66e18e32e4087a9712c1e68ee6da614efe244.1784322818.git.babu.moger@amd.com>
Hi Babu,
On 7/17/26 2:13 PM, Babu Moger wrote:
> The kernel currently enables the ABMC-based "mbm_event" mode by default on
> hardware that supports it. However, this can cause bandwidth monitoring
> failures with existing userspace tools such as pqos.
>
> The pqos tool mounts the resctrl filesystem and creates 16 or more resctrl
> groups by default. On systems with 32 or fewer ABMC counters, this default
> configuration can consume all available counters, since each group requires
> one counter for local MBM and another for total MBM. If additional
> monitoring groups are created, counter resources are exhausted and pqos
> tool reports memory bandwidth counters as zero for those groups.
It is not obvious to me that this is a problem. If I understand correctly
there are two scenarios possible with this pqos behavior:
- ABMC is not in use ("mbm_assign_mode" is set to "default")
- pqos can create 16 or more monitor groups
- hardware still supports a limited number of counters with consequence that
underlying counters reset at any time as the different monitoring groups
need to be tracked.
- pqos can read monitoring data of all 16 monitor groups, sometimes reading the
events would return "Unavailable", sometimes reading the events return data.
- *None* of the monitoring numbers returned are guaranteed to be accurate.
- ABMC is in use ("mbm_assign_mode" is set to "mbm_event"):
- pqos can create 16 or more monitor groups
- only a subset of monitoring groups have counters assigned and these counters
are guaranteed to only track the monitor groups/events they are assigned to
- pqos can read monitoring data of all 16 monitor groups with two possibilities:
- monitor group/event has counter assigned: monitoring numbers are guaranteed to be accurate
- monitor group/event does not have counter assigned: monitoring numbers return 0
If my understanding is correct then the preference is to rather have wrong data than
see 0? This does not sound right. What am I missing?
The changelog starts with "this can cause bandwidth monitoring failures with existing
userspace tools such as pqos". How could returning accurate memory bandwidth data be
considered a failure? How does this issue manifest itself?
>
> Avoid this compatibility issue by leaving mbm_assign_mode in the "default"
> mode during initialization. Users who want to use ABMC can continue to
> enable it explicitly:
>
> echo mbm_event > /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_assign_mode
>
> Update the resctrl documentation to reflect the new boot-time default and
> adjust the mbm_assign_mode examples accordingly.
>
> Signed-off-by: Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>
> ---
> There are plans to enable "mbm_event" by default once additional counters
> are available. For now, keep the default mode to maintain compatibility
> with existing tools.
This is not ideal. resctrl should aim to provide a consistent user interface
across kernel versions.
Reinette
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-17 22:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-17 21:13 [PATCH 1/2] x86/resctrl, Documentation: Keep mbm_assign_mode "default" on boot Babu Moger
2026-07-17 21:13 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/resctrl: Fix ABMC counter programming for extended counter ranges Babu Moger
2026-07-17 22:56 ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
2026-07-20 17:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/resctrl, Documentation: Keep mbm_assign_mode "default" on boot Babu Moger
2026-07-20 18:27 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-20 19:15 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-21 20:54 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-23 18:03 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-23 21:46 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-24 20:57 ` Moger, Babu
2026-07-24 22:28 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-24 23:12 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-24 23:53 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-27 14:05 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-27 15:25 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-27 17:24 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-27 18:12 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-27 20:17 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-27 21:42 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-27 22:44 ` Moger, Babu
2026-07-27 23:29 ` Moger, Babu
2026-07-28 0:29 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-28 17:04 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-28 17:25 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-20 20:12 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-28 19:18 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-28 19:46 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-28 19:58 ` Luck, Tony
2026-07-28 20:18 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-28 20:24 ` Luck, Tony
2026-07-28 20:43 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-28 21:58 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-28 22:20 ` Moger, Babu
2026-07-30 18:46 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-30 19:39 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-30 19:43 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-30 19:49 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-30 20:40 ` Luck, Tony
2026-07-30 20:59 ` Babu Moger
2026-07-31 0:34 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-31 14:59 ` Reinette Chatre
[not found] ` <20260801012227.GEam1KUyMz601QOzrT@fat_crate.local>
2026-08-01 23:47 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-04 19:16 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-04 22:10 ` Reinette Chatre
[not found] ` <20260804224703.GFanJr52UbKBrCOTij@fat_crate.local>
2026-08-04 23:05 ` Luck, Tony
2026-08-04 23:40 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-05 0:02 ` Luck, Tony
2026-08-05 0:21 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-08-04 23:35 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-05 0:12 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-08-05 22:40 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-04 23:44 ` Moger, Babu
2026-08-05 5:03 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-07-31 15:34 ` Luck, Tony
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