From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 21 May 2001 05:59:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 21 May 2001 05:59:43 -0400 Received: from smtp1.cern.ch ([137.138.128.38]:37382 "EHLO smtp1.cern.ch") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 21 May 2001 05:59:32 -0400 To: Jakob =?iso-8859-1?q?=D8stergaard?= Cc: "Robert M. Love" , John Cowan , esr@thyrsus.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up In-Reply-To: <20010505192731.A2374@thyrsus.com> <20010513112543.A16121@thyrsus.com> <20010515173316.A8308@thyrsus.com> <3B054500.2090408@reutershealth.com> <990411054.773.0.camel@phantasy> <20010521043553.C20911@unthought.net> From: Jes Sorensen Date: 21 May 2001 11:58:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jakob =?iso-8859-1?q?=D8stergaard's?= message of "Mon, 21 May 2001 04:35:53 +0200" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070096 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.96) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >>>>> "Jakob" == Jakob Østergaard writes: Jakob> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:10:49PM -0400, Robert M. Love wrote: >> I think this is a very important point, and one I agree with. I >> tend to let my distribution handle stuff like python. now, I use >> RedHat's on-going devel, RawHide. it is not using python2. in >> fact, since switching to python2 may break old stuff, I don't >> expect python2 until 8.0. that wont be for 9 months. 90% of >> RedHat's configuration tools, et al, are written in python1 and >> they just are not going to change on someone's whim. Jakob> 2.6.0 isn't going to happen for at least a year or two. What's Jakob> the problem ? Jakob> Want 2.5.X ? Get the tools too. Some people grab the latest devel kernels because thats all that works on their hardware. Jakob> I'm in no position to push people around, but I think the Jakob> whining about CML2 tool requirements is completely unjustified. Jakob> If we required that everything worked with GCC 2.7.2 and nmake, Jakob> where would we be today ? I'm a lot more worried about CML2 Jakob> itself than about the tools it requires :) gcc-2.7.2 is broken it miscompiles the kernel, Python1 or bash are not. Jakob> Whether CML2 requires python2 or not, the distributions will Jakob> change. This is not about Eric pushing something down people's Jakob> throats. Tools evolve, and new revisions introduce Jakob> incompatibilities, but distributions still follow the Jakob> evolution. Nobody ships perl4 today either. The point is that Eric has been trying to push distributions to ship P2. Jes