From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86/ibpb: Prevent missed IBPB flush
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:56:57 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d9a6a417-4ec9-ddd2-de89-cb656a238c86@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1516868406.30244.16.camel@infradead.org>
On 01/25/2018 12:20 AM, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 16:36 -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
>> It is possible that the last uesr mm that we recorded for a cpu was
>> released, and a new mm with identical address was allocated when we
>> check it again. We could skip IBPB flush here for the process with
>> the new mm.
>>
>> It is a difficult to exploit case as we have to exit() a process on a
>> cpu, free the mm, and fork() the victim to use the mm pointer on that
>> cpu. The exploiter needs the old mm to get recycled to the
>> newly forked process and no other processes run on the target cpu.
>
> That's what it takes to have the victim process leak information into
> the cache. In order to *harvest* that information, the attacker must
> then get run on the same CPU again? And since her first process had to
> exits, as described above, she needs a new process for that?
>
> I confess, with all the other wildly theoretical loopholes that exist,
> I wasn't losing much sleep over this one.
>
>> Nevertheless, the patch below is one way to close this hole by
>> adding a ref count to prevent the last user mm from being released.
>> It does add ref counting overhead, and extra memory cost of keeping an mm
>> (though not the VMAs and most of page tables) around longer than we will
>> otherwise need to. Any better solutions are welcomed.
>
> This has no upper bound on the amount of time the user mm gets held,
> right? If a given CPU remains idle for ever (and what happens if it's
> taken offline?) we'll never do that mmdrop() ?
>
The downside with this approach is we do hold on to the mm longer
than we needs to.
Yes, the offline path does need to be fixed up.
Tim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-25 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-25 0:36 [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86/ibpb: Skip IBPB when we switch back to same user process Tim Chen
2018-01-25 0:36 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86/ibpb: Prevent missed IBPB flush Tim Chen
2018-01-25 8:20 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 16:56 ` Tim Chen [this message]
2018-01-25 8:58 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86/ibpb: Skip IBPB when we switch back to same user process Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 9:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 13:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-25 13:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 14:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-25 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 17:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 18:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 19:32 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-25 19:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-25 19:45 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-25 20:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 21:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 21:57 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-25 22:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 23:07 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-26 0:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-25 17:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
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