From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261555AbVGCWfg (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:35:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261557AbVGCWfg (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:35:36 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:26501 "EHLO ciao.gmane.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261555AbVGCWf1 (ORCPT ); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:35:27 -0400 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Ed Cogburn Subject: Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:34:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1120134372.42c3e4e49e610@webmail.bur.st> <20050630153326.GB24468@voodoo> <20050630160244.GV11013@nysv.org> <20050630180959.GC24468@voodoo> <20050702145928.GA28201@infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nc-65-164-194-79.dyn.sprint-hsd.net User-Agent: KNode/0.9.1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 09:05:41AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote: >> Assuming "fast and cool" here equates to some level of improvement to the >> existing kernel, and/or new features/capabilities not currently >> available, then are you saying "fast and cool" isn't good enough anymore, >> you now have to be politically correct and socially popular and a master >> brown-noser as well to get code into the kernel even just on an >> *experimental* basis? >> >> In reality, the implied attitude behind your statement actually >> *guarantees* a fork of Linux at some point down the road if you keep >> stonewalling the inclusion of something that clearly has enormous >> potential, because for many people "fast and cool" IS THE DESIRED >> OBJECTIVE, and by saying no to that, YOU are the one setting the stage >> for a fork. > > In fact such a fork would be a great thing. Let people play fast and > loose who want to do that, Here's the irony of your statement: -mm is too unstable for many people to even try out R4 with, breaking or freezing or having other problems long before they even get to R4 itself. Please remember that the comment was "fast and cool", not "fast and unstable".