From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262936AbVGHW7S (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:59:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262943AbVGHW51 (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:57:27 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:17133 "EHLO ciao.gmane.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262918AbVGHWzF (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:55:05 -0400 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Ed Cogburn Subject: Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:59:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200507040211.j642BL6f005488@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <028601c581a0$cb1f3e20$2800000a@pc365dualp2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nc-65-40-175-252.dyn.sprint-hsd.net User-Agent: KNode/0.9.1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org cutaway@bellsouth.net wrote: > > In reality is it doesn't count. Users don't care what level of pain is > involved in producing the products they use. > > Development efforts and results for OS's are always just taken for > granted. > > BTDT - if you're very lucky, a (very) few non-programming users might > notice something nice and mention that they noticed a difference. The > majority are still struggling to find the power switch ;-> You no longer have to be a kernel dev to see that there is more to the resistance to R4 than objective technical issues, anyone with an understanding of English whose been reading the R4 debates-that-quickly-turn-into-flame-wars the last couple of years here can see that. For you guys to continue to suggest otherwise only makes you out to be the fools, not the "lusers" (which you obviously define as anyone who isn't a kernel dev). So be my guest, ignore the message and attack the messenger, I didn't respond to start yet another flamewar, nor did I really expect much objectivity anyway, as that's been thrown out the window even in discussions between developers, e.g. the R4 plugins thread. If its a fork of the kernel that you really want, so be it. When it happens, and given the increasing divergence going on between the commercial distros and the vanilla kernel, maybe it's already begun, I'll use the one that isn't afraid of giving new ideas a chance. Flame away, I'm done.