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From: "Mi, Dapeng" <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>
To: "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org, namhyung@kernel.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	irogers@google.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ak@linux.intel.com, zide.chen@intel.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	broonie@kernel.org, ravi.bangoria@amd.com, eranian@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 05/17] perf/x86: Support XMM register for non-PEBS and REGS_USER
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:00:45 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dbd28326-1d47-462e-947c-34e3c4a08ec6@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53aebb23-2520-4016-ae71-18b66dec452f@linux.intel.com>


On 8/21/2025 2:03 AM, Liang, Kan wrote:
>
> On 2025-08-20 2:46 a.m., Mi, Dapeng wrote:
>> On 8/19/2025 11:55 PM, Liang, Kan wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-19 6:39 a.m., Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 02:34:23PM -0700, kan.liang@linux.intel.com wrote:
>>>>> From: Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Collecting the XMM registers in a PEBS record has been supported since
>>>>> the Icelake. But non-PEBS events don't support the feature. It's
>>>>> possible to retrieve the XMM registers from the XSAVE for non-PEBS.
>>>>> Add it to make the feature complete.
>>>>>
>>>>> To utilize the XSAVE, a 64-byte aligned buffer is required. Add a
>>>>> per-CPU ext_regs_buf to store the vector registers. The size of the
>>>>> buffer is ~2K. kzalloc_node() is used because there's a _guarantee_
>>>>> that all kmalloc()'s with powers of 2 are naturally aligned and also
>>>>> 64b aligned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Extend the support for both REGS_USER and REGS_INTR. For REGS_USER, the
>>>>> perf_get_regs_user() returns the regs from the task_pt_regs(current),
>>>>> which is struct pt_regs. Need to move it to local struct x86_perf_regs
>>>>> x86_user_regs.
>>>>> For PEBS, the HW support is still preferred. The XMM should be retrieved
>>>>> from PEBS records.
>>>>>
>>>>> There could be more vector registers supported later. Add ext_regs_mask
>>>>> to track the supported vector register group.
>>>> I'm a little confused... *again* :-)
>>>>
>>>> Specifically, we should consider two sets of registers:
>>>>
>>>>  - the live set, as per the CPU (XSAVE)
>>>>  - the stored set, as per x86_task_fpu()
>>>>
>>>> regs_intr should always get a copy of the live set; however
>>>> regs_user should not. It might need a copy of the x86_task_fpu() instead
>>>> of the live set, depending on TIF_NEED_FPU_LOAD (more or less, we need
>>>> another variable set in kernel_fpu_begin_mask() *after*
>>>> save_fpregs_to_fpstate() is completed).
>>>>
>>>> I don't see this code make this distinction.
>>>>
>>>> Consider getting a sample while the kernel is doing some avx enhanced
>>>> crypto and such.
>>> The regs_user only needs a set when the NMI hits the user mode
>>> (user_mode(regs)) or a non-kernel thread (!(current->flags &
>>> PF_KTHREAD)). The live set is good enough for both cases.
>> It's fine if NMI hits user mode, but if NMI hits the kernel mode
>> (!(current->flags &PF_KTHREAD)), won't the kernel space SIMD/eGPR regs be
>> exposed to user space for user-regs option? I'm not sure if kernel space
>> really use these SIMD/eGPR regs right now, but it seems a risk.
>>
>>
> I don't think it's possible for the existing kernel. But I cannot
> guarantee future usage.
>
> If the kernel mode handling is still a concern, I think we should drop
> the SIMD/eGPR regs for the case for now. Because
> - To profile a userspace application which requires SIMD/eGPR regs, the
> NMI usually hits the usersapce. It's not common to hit the kernel mode.
> - The SIMD/eGPR cannot be retrieved from the task_pt_regs(). Although
> it's possible to retrieve the values when the TIF_NEED_FPU_LOAD flag is
> set, I don't think it's worth introducing such complexity to handle an
> uncommon case in the critical path.
> - Furthermore, only checking the TIF_NEED_FPU_LOAD flag cannot cure
> everything. Some corner cases cannot be handled either. For example, an
> NMI can happen when the flag just switched, but still in the kernel mode.
>
> We can always add the support later if someone thinks it's important to
> retrieve the user SIMD/eGPR regs during the kernel syscall.

+1


>
> Thanks,
> Kan
>>> I think the kernel crypto should be to a kernel thread (current->flags &
>>> PF_KTHREAD). If so, the regs_user should return NULL.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kan
>>>

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-21  1:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-15 21:34 [PATCH V3 00/17] Support vector and more extended registers in perf kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 01/17] perf/x86: Use x86_perf_regs in the x86 nmi handler kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 02/17] perf/x86: Setup the regs data kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 03/17] x86/fpu/xstate: Add xsaves_nmi kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 04/17] perf: Move has_extended_regs() to header file kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 05/17] perf/x86: Support XMM register for non-PEBS and REGS_USER kan.liang
2025-08-19 13:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-19 15:55     ` Liang, Kan
2025-08-20  9:46       ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-20 18:03         ` Liang, Kan
2025-08-21  1:00           ` Mi, Dapeng [this message]
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 06/17] perf: Support SIMD registers kan.liang
2025-08-20  9:55   ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-20 18:08     ` Liang, Kan
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 07/17] perf/x86: Move XMM to sample_simd_vec_regs kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 08/17] perf/x86: Add YMM into sample_simd_vec_regs kan.liang
2025-08-20  9:59   ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-20 18:10     ` Liang, Kan
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 09/17] perf/x86: Add ZMM " kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 10/17] perf/x86: Add OPMASK into sample_simd_pred_reg kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 11/17] perf/x86: Add eGPRs into sample_regs kan.liang
2025-08-20 10:01   ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 12/17] perf/x86: Add SSP " kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [PATCH V3 13/17] perf/x86/intel: Enable PERF_PMU_CAP_SIMD_REGS kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [POC PATCH 14/17] perf/x86/regs: Only support legacy regs for the PT and PERF_REGS_MASK for now kan.liang
2025-08-25  9:07   ` Adrian Hunter
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [POC PATCH 15/17] tools headers: Sync with the kernel sources kan.liang
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [POC PATCH 16/17] perf parse-regs: Support the new SIMD format kan.liang
2025-08-20 10:04   ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-20 18:18     ` Liang, Kan
2025-08-21  3:35   ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-08-15 21:34 ` [POC PATCH 17/17] perf regs: Support the PERF_SAMPLE_REGS_ABI_SIMD kan.liang

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