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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
Cc: "Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Chengming Zhou" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	"Josh Don" <joshdon@google.com>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Xi Wang" <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Chuyi Zhou" <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"Florian Bezdeka" <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	"Songtang Liu" <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	"Chen Yu" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	"Matteo Martelli" <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 19:08:20 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dc328049-b1e6-4558-bb9b-e2e1d186daeb@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250930110717.GC510@bytedance>

Hello Aaron,

I'll merge the two replies in one.

On 9/30/2025 4:37 PM, Aaron Lu wrote:
> So in my original patch, cfs_rqs will (most likely) start with
> runtime_remaining == 1 and unthrottled after calling throttle_cfs_rq(),
> which will also start the B/W timer. The timer is not needed in this
> case when no cfs_rqs are actually throttled but it doesn't hurt. Looks
> like everything is OK, we do not need to do any special handling in
> enqueue_throttled_task(). Thoughts?

Now that I look at throttle_cfs_rq() properly, we'll only move the
runtime_remaining from 0 to 1 so few usecs worth of bandwidth
distributed at max should be okay. Sorry for the being overly cautious!

So your current approach should be good. Please feel free to include:

Reviewed-by: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>

As for the other thread:

On 9/30/2025 6:09 PM, Aaron Lu wrote:
>>>
>>>     root -> A (throttled) -> B -> C
>>>
>>> Consider B has runtime_remaining = 0, and subsequently a throttled task
>>> is queued onto C. Ideally, we should start the B/W timer for B at that
>>> point but we bail out after queuing it on C. Thoughts?
>>
>> Yes agree the B/W timer should also be considered.
> 
> On another thought, do we really need care about B/W timer for B?
> 
> I mean, when C is unthrottled and gets enqueued on B,
> check_enqueue_throttle() will do the right thing for B so I don't
> think we need to do this hierarchy check_enqueue_throttle() here.

So what I though would happen here is that when A is unthrottled,
you'll enqueue the task and only then realize B doesn't have any
bandwidth and start the timer then but had you identified it
earlier, distribution could have already added some bandwidth to
B and then you could run the task without adding any further
latency.

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-30 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-29  7:46 [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining Aaron Lu
2025-09-29  9:34 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-29 10:55   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  7:56   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  8:58     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-30  9:27       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 11:07       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 12:39         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 13:38         ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2025-10-01 11:58           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14  7:43 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14  9:11   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14 11:01     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14 11:50       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  1:43         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  1:48           ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  2:51           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  6:31             ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  8:40               ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15 10:21                 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  6:54                   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16  7:49                     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  9:23                       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16 11:04                         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 11:46                           ` Aaron Lu

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