From: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, anthony <antmbox@youngman.org.uk>
Cc: Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com>,
colyli@kernel.org, hare@suse.de, tieren@fnnas.com,
axboe@kernel.dk, tj@kernel.org, josef@toxicpanda.com,
song@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, neil@brown.name,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,
yi.zhang@huawei.com, yangerkun@huawei.com,
johnny.chenyi@huawei.com, "yukuai (C)" <yukuai3@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/7] md/raid10: convert read/write to use bio_submit_split()
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 07:18:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <def0970e-0bf7-4a6d-9b68-692b40aeecae@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aK60bmotWLT50qt5@infradead.org>
On 27/08/2025 08:31, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 06:35:10PM +0100, anthony wrote:
>> On 26/08/2025 10:14, Yu Kuai wrote:
>>>> Umm, that's actually a red flag. If a device guarantees atomic behavior
>>>> it can't just fail it. So I think REQ_ATOMIC should be disallowed
>>>> for md raid with bad block tracking.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that do not look good, however, John explained while adding this
>>> that user should retry and fallback without REQ_ATOMIC to make things
>>> work as usual.
>>
>> Whether a device promises atomic write is orthogonal to whether that write
>> succeeds - it could fail for a whole host of reasons, so why can't "this is
>> too big to be atomic" just be another reason for failing?
>
> Too big to be atomic is a valid failure reason. But the limit needs
> to be documented in the queue limits beforehand.
>
>
What exactly could need to be documented?
We just report -EIO in this case (when we try to write to a bad blocks
region with REQ_ATOMIC). In general, for RWF_ATOMIC, we report -EINVAL
for too large/small a size.
BTW, do we realistically expect atomic writes HW support and bad blocks
ever to meet?
Thanks,
John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-02 6:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-25 9:36 [PATCH RFC 0/7] block: fix disordered IO in the case recursive split Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 9:36 ` [PATCH RFC 1/7] block: export helper bio_submit_split() Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 10:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 0:51 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 9:36 ` [PATCH RFC 2/7] md/raid0: convert raid0_handle_discard() to use bio_submit_split() Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 10:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 1:08 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-26 7:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 9:11 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 9:36 ` [PATCH RFC 3/7] md/raid1: convert " Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 10:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 1:09 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 9:36 ` [PATCH RFC 4/7] md/raid10: convert read/write " Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 10:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 1:13 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-26 7:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 9:14 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-26 17:35 ` anthony
2025-08-27 7:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-09-02 6:18 ` John Garry [this message]
2025-09-02 6:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-09-02 6:58 ` John Garry
2025-09-02 8:25 ` Yu Kuai
2025-09-02 14:46 ` John Garry
2025-08-25 9:36 ` [PATCH RFC 5/7] md/raid5: convert " Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 11:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 1:15 ` Yu Kuai
2025-08-26 7:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-25 9:36 ` [PATCH RFC 6/7] md/md-linear: " Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 9:37 ` [PATCH RFC 7/7] block: fix disordered IO in the case recursive split Yu Kuai
2025-08-25 11:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-26 1:20 ` Yu Kuai
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