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From: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Patrick Roy <patrick.roy@linux.dev>,
	 Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Kalyazin,
	Nikita" <kalyazin@amazon.co.uk>,
	shivankg@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add DEFAULT_SHARED flag, reject user page faults if not set
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:51:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <diqz4isl351g.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2fa49af-112b-4de9-8c03-5f38618b1e57@redhat.com>

David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:

>                           GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED;
>>>>
>>>> At least for now, GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED and
>>>> GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP don't make sense without each other. Is it worth
>>>> checking for that, at least until we have in-place conversion? Having
>>>> only GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED set, but GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP,
>>>> isn't a useful combination.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's okay to have the two flags be orthogonal from the start.
>> 
>> I think I dimly remember someone at one of the guest_memfd syncs
>> bringing up a usecase for having a VMA even if all memory is private,
>> not for faulting anything in, but to do madvise or something? Maybe it
>> was the NUMA stuff? (+Shivank)
>
> Yes, that should be it. But we're never faulting in these pages, we only 
> need the VMA (for the time being, until there is the in-place conversion).
>

Yup, Sean's patch disables faulting if GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED
is not set, but mmap() is always enabled so madvise() still works.

Requiring GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED to be set together with
GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP would still allow madvise() to work since
GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED only gates faulting.

To clarify, I'm still for making GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_DEFAULT_SHARED
orthogonal to GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP with no additional checks on top of
whatever's in this patch. :)

> -- 
> Cheers
>
> David / dhildenb

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-29 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-26 16:31 [PATCH 0/6] KVM: Avoid a lurking guest_memfd ABI mess Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 1/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add DEFAULT_SHARED flag, reject user page faults if not set Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  8:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  8:57     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  9:04   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:43     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 10:15       ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-29 10:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 10:51           ` Ackerley Tng [this message]
2025-09-29 16:55             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  0:15               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  8:36                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 14:22                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 16:15                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 16:31                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 17:16                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 22:13                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-02  0:04                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-02 15:41                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-03  0:12                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03  4:10                                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-03 16:13                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03 20:30                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-09-29 16:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 2/6] KVM: selftests: Stash the host page size in a global in the guest_memfd test Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:12   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:17   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 10:56   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 16:58     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  6:52       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 3/6] KVM: selftests: Create a new guest_memfd for each testcase Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29 11:02   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 4/6] KVM: selftests: Add test coverage for guest_memfd without GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:21   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 5/6] KVM: selftests: Add wrappers for mmap() and munmap() to assert success Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 11:08   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 17:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  7:09       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 14:24         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:18           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 6/6] KVM: selftests: Verify that faulting in private guest_memfd memory fails Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 14:38   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 18:10     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29 18:35       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  7:53       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 14:58         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:26           ` Ackerley Tng

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