From: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 02/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce and use shareability to guard faulting
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 16:44:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <diqzh5w2fjtc.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <68deb76c2dc2a_2957e22943f@iweiny-mobl.notmuch>
Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com> writes:
>
> [...snip...]
>
>> >>
>> >> Conversions take the filemap_invalidate_lock() too, along with
>> >> allocations, truncations.
>> >>
>> >> Because the filemap_invalidate_lock() might be reused for other
>> >> fs-specific operations, I didn't do the mt_set_external_lock() thing to
>> >> lock at a low level to avoid nested locking or special maple tree code
>> >> to avoid taking the lock on other paths.
>> >
>> > I don't think using the filemap_invalidate_lock() is going to work well
>> > here. I've had some hangs on it in my testing and experiments. I think
>> > it is better to specifically lock the state tracking itself. I believe
>> > Michael mentioned this as well in a previous thread.
>>
>> Definitely took the big hammer lock for a start and might be optimizable.
>>
>> Considerations so far: when a conversion is happening, these have to be
>> locked out:
>>
>> + Conversions from competing threads
>
> Agreed. And this needs filemap_invalidate_lock() as well as the maple
> tree lock.
>
> Call this item 1.
>
>> + Allocations in kvm_gmem_fault_user_mapping(), because whether an
>> offset can be faulted depends on the outcome of conversion
>
> Agreed. And this needs filemap_invalidate_lock() as well as the maple
> tree lock.
>
> Call this item 2.
>
>> + Allocations (fallocate() or kvm_gmem_get_pfn()) and truncations,
>> because conversions (for now) involves removing a folio from the
>> filemap, restructuring, then restoring to the filemap, and
>> + Allocations should reuse a folio that was already in the filemap
>> + Truncations remove a folio, and should not skip removal of a folio
>> because it was taken out just for conversion
>
> I don't think this is required...
>
>> + memory failure handling, where we don't remove folios from the
>> filemap, but we might restructure, to split huge folios to just unmap
>> pages with failed memory
>
> ... nor this. These don't change the sharability maple tree.
>
> These operations don't change or need to know the shareability AFAICT.
>
> Merging a folio would have to check the maple tree to ensure we don't
> merge incompatible folios... But that is a read check and should be easy
> to add.
>
>> I think essentially because conversion involves restructuring, and
>> restructuring involves filemap operations and other filemap operations
>> have to wait, conversion also takes the filemap_invalidate_lock() that
>> filemap operations use.
>
> I could be convinced otherwise but I'm thinking the overhead of another
> lock for the sake of simplicity is a good trade off. I don't think any of
> the conversions are a fast path operation are they?
Haha, I think not having another lock is simpler! Looks like it's
starting to get subjective.
For the next RFC, I'll go with re-using the filemap_invalidate_lock(),
and the next RFC will have quite some changes too. Please feel free to
bring this up again. The next RFC is an RFC and won't be committal
anyway :)
>
> Ira
>
> [snip]
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Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-14 23:41 [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Make guest mem use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce and use shareability to guard faulting Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 3:54 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-29 18:20 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-30 8:53 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-30 18:32 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-02 9:43 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-27 8:25 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-27 8:43 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-29 18:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 20:37 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 5:42 ` Michael Roth
2025-06-11 21:51 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:25 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03 0:46 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 0:52 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 4:12 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03 5:10 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 20:39 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-07 14:55 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12 0:10 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-12 17:53 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-12 8:23 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-08-13 17:11 ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-11 22:10 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-08-01 0:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-14 21:35 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 23:40 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:00 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 16:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 22:24 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 0:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-02 7:49 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 23:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-13 23:40 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 23:25 ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-02 8:24 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 17:33 ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-13 23:44 ` Ackerley Tng [this message]
2025-10-01 14:33 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 16:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/51] KVM: selftests: Update guest_memfd_test for INIT_PRIVATE flag Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 13:49 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:42 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:31 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-27 8:53 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 19:59 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce KVM_GMEM_CONVERT_SHARED/PRIVATE ioctls Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 14:50 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:53 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-20 9:22 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 13:02 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 13:44 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 14:11 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 14:33 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 16:02 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 18:05 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 19:40 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 12:36 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 14:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 15:21 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 15:51 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 18:27 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 14:52 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-22 15:07 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 16:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-23 10:12 ` Fuad Tabba
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2025-10-01 0:09 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-24 8:23 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-24 13:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 14:10 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-27 4:49 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-27 15:17 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30 0:19 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-30 14:19 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 6:57 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-07-10 17:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 8:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:54 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-02 14:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 14:32 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 10:50 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-10 17:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-11 4:31 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-11 9:33 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-16 22:22 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-17 9:32 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-17 16:56 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18 2:48 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 14:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-21 14:18 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 15:13 ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-21 9:58 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-22 18:17 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22 19:25 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28 3:16 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:10 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-03 0:54 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Skip LRU for guest_memfd folios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28 7:01 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:32 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 23:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/51] KVM: Query guest_memfd for private/shared status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 3:55 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28 8:08 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-28 9:55 ` Yan Zhao
2025-10-01 0:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Add CAP KVM_CAP_GMEM_CONVERSION Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/51] KVM: selftests: Test flag validity after guest_memfd supports conversions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/51] KVM: selftests: Test faulting with respect to GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_INIT_PRIVATE Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/51] KVM: selftests: Refactor vm_mem_add to be more flexible Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 22:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/51] KVM: selftests: Allow cleanup of ucall_pool from host Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 18:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/51] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flows for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 19:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to exercise private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/51] KVM: selftests: Update script to map shared memory from guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/51] mm: hugetlb: Consolidate interpretation of gbl_chg within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 2:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-05-28 8:55 ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-07 18:27 ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of gbl_chg in alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of map_chg_state within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-07-07 18:08 ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/51] mm: hugetlb: Rename alloc_surplus_hugetlb_folio Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/51] mm: mempolicy: Refactor out policy_node_nodemask() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/51] mm: hugetlb: Inline huge_node() into callers Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor hugetlb allocation functions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-31 23:45 ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:03 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor out hugetlb_alloc_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-06-01 0:38 ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/51] mm: hugetlb: Add option to create new subpool without using surplus Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/51] mm: truncate: Expose preparation steps for truncate_inode_pages_final Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/51] mm: Consolidate freeing of typed folios on final folio_put() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/51] mm: hugetlb: Expose hugetlb_subpool_{get,put}_pages() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/51] mm: Introduce guestmem_hugetlb to support folio_put() handling of guestmem pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Wrap HugeTLB as an allocator for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 14:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 20:33 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-16 22:41 ` Michael Roth
2025-09-16 22:55 ` Michael Roth
2025-09-18 6:38 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 14:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03 16:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/51] mm: truncate: Expose truncate_inode_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/51] KVM: x86: Set disallow_lpage on base_gfn and guest_memfd pgoff misalignment Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Support guestmem_hugetlb as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-23 10:47 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-12 9:13 ` Tony Lindgren
2025-10-01 23:15 ` Michael Roth
2025-10-03 14:52 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Allocate and truncate from " Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 18:05 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-22 23:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28 10:58 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-03 7:43 ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-16 22:13 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 15:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/51] mm: hugetlb: Add functions to add/delete folio from hugetlb lists Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Add support for splitting and merging pages Ackerley Tng
2025-09-16 22:28 ` Michael Roth
2025-09-18 6:53 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 16:11 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/51] mm: Convert split_folio() macro to function Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 16:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/51] filemap: Pass address_space mapping to ->free_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 38/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Split allocator pages for guest_memfd use Ackerley Tng
2025-05-22 22:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 4:30 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-27 4:38 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 17:50 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 8:45 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 19:10 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 11:15 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 5:24 ` Binbin Wu
2025-06-05 19:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 39/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Merge and truncate on fallocate(PUNCH_HOLE) Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28 11:00 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28 16:39 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 3:26 ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-26 9:14 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 40/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Update kvm_gmem_mapping_order to account for page status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 41/51] KVM: Add CAP to indicate support for HugeTLB as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 42/51] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftests for hugetlb-backed guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 43/51] KVM: selftests: Update conversion flows test for HugeTLB Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 44/51] KVM: selftests: Test truncation paths of guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 45/51] KVM: selftests: Test allocation and conversion of subfolios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 46/51] KVM: selftests: Test that guest_memfd usage is reported via hugetlb Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 47/51] KVM: selftests: Support various types of backing sources for private memory Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 48/51] KVM: selftests: Update test for various private memory backing source types Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 49/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test.sh to test with HugeTLB pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 50/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to test HugeTLB statistics Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 18:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15 23:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 0:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 2:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 13:11 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-16 16:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 19:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 20:25 ` Dave Hansen
2025-05-16 21:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 13:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-16 17:04 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 0:22 ` [RFC PATCH v2 51/51] KVM: selftests: Test guest_memfd for accuracy of st_blocks Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 19:59 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 20:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 22:43 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19 8:13 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19 8:59 ` Xiaoyao Li
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2025-06-19 9:28 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19 9:45 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19 9:49 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-29 18:28 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30 3:14 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 14:14 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 5:23 ` Yan Zhao
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