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From: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	 Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	 Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	 Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 02/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce and use shareability to guard faulting
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 16:44:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <diqzh5w2fjtc.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <68deb76c2dc2a_2957e22943f@iweiny-mobl.notmuch>

Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com> writes:

> 
> [...snip...]
> 
>> >> 
>> >> Conversions take the filemap_invalidate_lock() too, along with
>> >> allocations, truncations.
>> >> 
>> >> Because the filemap_invalidate_lock() might be reused for other
>> >> fs-specific operations, I didn't do the mt_set_external_lock() thing to
>> >> lock at a low level to avoid nested locking or special maple tree code
>> >> to avoid taking the lock on other paths.
>> >
>> > I don't think using the filemap_invalidate_lock() is going to work well
>> > here.  I've had some hangs on it in my testing and experiments.  I think
>> > it is better to specifically lock the state tracking itself.  I believe
>> > Michael mentioned this as well in a previous thread.
>> 
>> Definitely took the big hammer lock for a start and might be optimizable.
>> 
>> Considerations so far: when a conversion is happening, these have to be
>> locked out:
>> 
>> + Conversions from competing threads
>
> Agreed.  And this needs filemap_invalidate_lock() as well as the maple
> tree lock.
>
> Call this item 1.
>
>> + Allocations in kvm_gmem_fault_user_mapping(), because whether an
>>   offset can be faulted depends on the outcome of conversion
>
> Agreed.  And this needs filemap_invalidate_lock() as well as the maple
> tree lock.
>
> Call this item 2.
>
>> + Allocations (fallocate() or kvm_gmem_get_pfn()) and truncations,
>>   because conversions (for now) involves removing a folio from the
>>   filemap, restructuring, then restoring to the filemap, and
>>     + Allocations should reuse a folio that was already in the filemap
>>     + Truncations remove a folio, and should not skip removal of a folio
>>       because it was taken out just for conversion
>
> I don't think this is required...
>
>> + memory failure handling, where we don't remove folios from the
>>   filemap, but we might restructure, to split huge folios to just unmap
>>   pages with failed memory
>
> ... nor this.  These don't change the sharability maple tree.
>
> These operations don't change or need to know the shareability AFAICT.
>
> Merging a folio would have to check the maple tree to ensure we don't
> merge incompatible folios...  But that is a read check and should be easy
> to add.
>
>> I think essentially because conversion involves restructuring, and
>> restructuring involves filemap operations and other filemap operations
>> have to wait, conversion also takes the filemap_invalidate_lock() that
>> filemap operations use.
>
> I could be convinced otherwise but I'm thinking the overhead of another
> lock for the sake of simplicity is a good trade off.  I don't think any of
> the conversions are a fast path operation are they?

Haha, I think not having another lock is simpler! Looks like it's
starting to get subjective.

For the next RFC, I'll go with re-using the filemap_invalidate_lock(),
and the next RFC will have quite some changes too. Please feel free to
bring this up again. The next RFC is an RFC and won't be committal
anyway :)

>
> Ira
>
> [snip]

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-13 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-14 23:41 [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Make guest mem use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce and use shareability to guard faulting Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  3:54   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-29 18:20     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-30  8:53     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-30 18:32       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-02  9:43         ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-27  8:25   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-27  8:43     ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-29 18:26     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 20:37       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29  5:42   ` Michael Roth
2025-06-11 21:51     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:25       ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03  0:46         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03  0:52           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03  4:12           ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03  5:10             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 20:39               ` Michael Roth
2025-07-07 14:55                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12  0:10                   ` Michael Roth
2025-07-12 17:53                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-12  8:23             ` Fuad Tabba
2025-08-13 17:11               ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-11 22:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-08-01  0:01   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-14 21:35     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 23:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:00     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 16:48       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 22:24         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02  0:42           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-02  7:49             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 23:51               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-13 23:40               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 23:25       ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-02  8:24         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 17:33           ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-13 23:44             ` Ackerley Tng [this message]
2025-10-01 14:33     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 16:55       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/51] KVM: selftests: Update guest_memfd_test for INIT_PRIVATE flag Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 13:49   ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:42     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:31       ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-27  8:53       ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 19:59         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce KVM_GMEM_CONVERT_SHARED/PRIVATE ioctls Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 14:50   ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:53     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-20  9:22   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 13:02     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 13:44       ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 14:11         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 14:33           ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 16:02             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 18:05               ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 19:40                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 12:36                   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 14:42                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 15:21                       ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 15:51                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 18:27                           ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 14:52                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-22 15:07                               ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 16:26                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-23 10:12                                   ` Fuad Tabba
     [not found]                                   ` <aNxwzc0a_xtTW7Ih@google.com>
2025-10-01  0:09                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-24  8:23           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-24 13:08             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 14:10               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-27  4:49                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-27 15:17                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30  0:19                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-30 14:19                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10  6:57                         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-07-10 17:58                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02  8:35                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:54                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-02 14:13                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 14:32                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 10:50                         ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-10 17:54                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-11  4:31                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-11  9:33                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-16 22:22                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-17  9:32                     ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-17 16:56                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18  2:48                         ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 14:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-21 14:18                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 15:13                           ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-21  9:58                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-22 18:17                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22 19:25                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28  3:16   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-03  0:54       ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Skip LRU for guest_memfd folios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28  7:01   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:32     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 23:57   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/51] KVM: Query guest_memfd for private/shared status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  3:55   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28  8:08     ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-28  9:55       ` Yan Zhao
2025-10-01  0:24         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Add CAP KVM_CAP_GMEM_CONVERSION Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/51] KVM: selftests: Test flag validity after guest_memfd supports conversions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/51] KVM: selftests: Test faulting with respect to GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_INIT_PRIVATE Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/51] KVM: selftests: Refactor vm_mem_add to be more flexible Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 22:10   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/51] KVM: selftests: Allow cleanup of ucall_pool from host Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 18:43   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/51] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flows for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 19:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to exercise private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/51] KVM: selftests: Update script to map shared memory from guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/51] mm: hugetlb: Consolidate interpretation of gbl_chg within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15  2:09   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-05-28  8:55   ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-07 18:27   ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of gbl_chg in alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of map_chg_state within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-07-07 18:08   ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/51] mm: hugetlb: Rename alloc_surplus_hugetlb_folio Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/51] mm: mempolicy: Refactor out policy_node_nodemask() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/51] mm: hugetlb: Inline huge_node() into callers Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor hugetlb allocation functions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-31 23:45   ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:03     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor out hugetlb_alloc_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-06-01  0:38   ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:07     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/51] mm: hugetlb: Add option to create new subpool without using surplus Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/51] mm: truncate: Expose preparation steps for truncate_inode_pages_final Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/51] mm: Consolidate freeing of typed folios on final folio_put() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/51] mm: hugetlb: Expose hugetlb_subpool_{get,put}_pages() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/51] mm: Introduce guestmem_hugetlb to support folio_put() handling of guestmem pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Wrap HugeTLB as an allocator for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 14:07   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 20:33     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-16 22:41       ` Michael Roth
2025-09-16 22:55   ` Michael Roth
2025-09-18  6:38     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 14:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03 16:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/51] mm: truncate: Expose truncate_inode_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/51] KVM: x86: Set disallow_lpage on base_gfn and guest_memfd pgoff misalignment Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Support guestmem_hugetlb as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-23 10:47   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-12  9:13   ` Tony Lindgren
2025-10-01 23:15   ` Michael Roth
2025-10-03 14:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Allocate and truncate from " Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 18:05   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-22 23:12   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28 10:58   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-03  7:43   ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-16 22:13     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 15:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/51] mm: hugetlb: Add functions to add/delete folio from hugetlb lists Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Add support for splitting and merging pages Ackerley Tng
2025-09-16 22:28   ` Michael Roth
2025-09-18  6:53     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 16:11   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/51] mm: Convert split_folio() macro to function Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 16:40   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/51] filemap: Pass address_space mapping to ->free_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 38/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Split allocator pages for guest_memfd use Ackerley Tng
2025-05-22 22:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:53       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  4:30   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-27  4:38     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 17:50     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  8:45   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 19:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 11:15       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05  5:24   ` Binbin Wu
2025-06-05 19:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 39/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Merge and truncate on fallocate(PUNCH_HOLE) Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28 11:00   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28 16:39     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29  3:26       ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-26  9:14         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 40/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Update kvm_gmem_mapping_order to account for page status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 41/51] KVM: Add CAP to indicate support for HugeTLB as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 42/51] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftests for hugetlb-backed guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 43/51] KVM: selftests: Update conversion flows test for HugeTLB Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 44/51] KVM: selftests: Test truncation paths of guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 45/51] KVM: selftests: Test allocation and conversion of subfolios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 46/51] KVM: selftests: Test that guest_memfd usage is reported via hugetlb Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 47/51] KVM: selftests: Support various types of backing sources for private memory Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 48/51] KVM: selftests: Update test for various private memory backing source types Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 49/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test.sh to test with HugeTLB pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 50/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to test HugeTLB statistics Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 18:42   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15 23:35     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  0:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16  2:12         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 13:11           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-16 16:45             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:51               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 19:14                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 20:25                   ` Dave Hansen
2025-05-16 21:42                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:45             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 13:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-16 17:04           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH v2 51/51] KVM: selftests: Test guest_memfd for accuracy of st_blocks Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 19:59   ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 20:26     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 22:43 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19  8:13 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19  8:59   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19  9:18     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19  9:28       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19  9:45         ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19  9:49           ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-29 18:28     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30  3:14       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 14:14         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  5:23           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 19:48             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-07 23:25               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08  0:14                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08  1:08                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 14:20                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 14:52                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:07                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:31                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 17:16                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 17:39                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 18:03                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 18:13                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 18:55                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 21:23                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-09 14:28                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 15:00                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-10  1:30                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 23:33                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 21:18                                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12 17:33                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 15:17                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-10  3:39                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 19:28                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 19:58                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 22:54                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:38                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 16:22                             ` Fuad Tabba
2025-07-08 17:25                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 18:37                                 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-07-16 23:06                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-26 23:19 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-24  0:07 ` Ackerley Tng

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