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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	anna-maria@linutronix.de, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, frederic@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Todd Brandt <todd.e.brandt@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ACPI: Replace msleep() with usleep_range() in acpi_os_sleep().
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:37:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0dd2cb8-eea2-443d-bf23-4d225528d33f@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0itnn3T4bwiAO3eAoKH4mLFYswcNWBx6JCrK1GFDEy7vg@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/2024 10:03 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 4:08 PM Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/19/2024 5:42 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 3:35 PM Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And the argument seems to be that it is better to always use more
>>>>> resources in a given path (ACPI sleep in this particular case) than to
>>>>> be somewhat inaccurate which is visible in some cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would mean that hrtimers should always be used everywhere, but they aren't.
>>>>
>>>> more or less rule of thumb is that regular timers are optimized for not firing case
>>>> (e.g. timeouts that get deleted when the actual event happens) while hrtimers
>>>> are optimized for the case where the timer is expected to fire.
>>>
>>> I've heard that, which makes me wonder why msleep() is still there.
>>>
>>> One thing that's rarely mentioned is that programming a timer in HW
>>> actually takes time, so if it is done too often, it hurts performance
>>> through latency (even if this is the TSC deadline timer).
>>
>> yup and this is why you want to group events together "somewhat", and which is why
>> we have slack, to allow that to happen
> 
> So what do you think would be the minimum slack to use in this case?
> 
> I thought about something on the order of 199 us, but now I'm thinking
> that 50 us would work too.  Less than this - I'm not sure.

50 usec is likely more than enough in practice.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-20 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-15 23:11 [PATCH v2] ACPI: Replace msleep() with usleep_range() in acpi_os_sleep() Len Brown
2024-11-18 11:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-18 11:38   ` Hans de Goede
2024-11-18 12:02     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-18 12:10       ` Hans de Goede
2024-11-18 12:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-20  9:01       ` Pierre Gondois
2024-11-20 12:06         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-11-20 12:59           ` Pierre Gondois
2024-11-18 14:35   ` Arjan van de Ven
2024-11-19 13:42     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-19 15:08       ` Arjan van de Ven
2024-11-20 18:03         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-20 18:37           ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2024-11-20 18:49             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-20 18:54               ` Len Brown
2024-11-20 19:27                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-20 19:18               ` Arjan van de Ven
2024-11-20 19:41                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-11-21 10:33                   ` Len Brown
2024-11-20 18:35   ` Len Brown

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