From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754963Ab0CEVBp (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:01:45 -0500 Received: from mail-pz0-f194.google.com ([209.85.222.194]:50703 "EHLO mail-pz0-f194.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752117Ab0CEVBn (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:01:43 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xC7cAeq5x5z/1N5GFOAuHsudDl6HL7/fg6s9wdqsl+FrZyL1MOKy1U6GujoKWpA1pi giMbFyn7SW/cRdAXyLSYmVk2Cxd6h6uOX1SpboA4NopyQX+Th+4G+STBr3V8HLx2syI6 uxKHVUiIeJrBDpizwuLmzw+RGAie8V1wCr7Bs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100305151754.GB2505@tempa> <20100305.072612.186421758.davem@davemloft.net> <20100305154009.GC2505@tempa> <20100305.074835.159078083.davem@davemloft.net> <20100305160434.GE2505@tempa> <20100305164615.GC6000@thunk.org> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 From: Corbin Simpson To: tytso@mit.edu, Daniel Stone , David Miller , skeggsb@gmail.com, airlied@linux.ie, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net, mingo@elte.hu, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Corbin Simpson wrote: > I was trying my hardest to not say anything, but... > > [blah blah Fedora blah Ubuntu blah staging blah blah] > > That said... Code probably is moving too fast inside nouveau. There is > a bit of a wall to go through to get new patches upstream, which one > would hope would inspire some developer restraint. intel and radeon > both still have most (if not all) of the legacy code needed by ancient > userspaces, and both DDX drivers are doing multiple-branch releases to > keep old userspace interfaces alive for people unable to update their > kernels. It might be useful for the nouveau guys to really seriously > consider code before it leaves their trees and enters mainline; > writing code that you won't commit to is quite lame for the obvious > reasons, but also for some unobvious reasons, e.g. it makes you look > like you don't actually know what you're doing and would rather just > keep reinventing wheels without justifying and testing your design > choices. (This is also why I was not exactly pleased with the > suggestion of retooling all of the r600 userspace over a change to the > CS system; we just spent the better part of a year moving everything > over to CS!) Strike this paragraph. After talking with the nouveau guys again, I don't think they were doing anything out of the ordinary for staging drivers. Frustrating, sure, but not anything worth a 200-post flame war. Also, I am a tool, don't know what I'm talking about, not actually a nouveau dev, etc. ~ C. -- Only fools are easily impressed by what is only barely beyond their reach. ~ Unknown Corbin Simpson