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From: Philipp Stanner <pstanner@redhat.com>
To: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	 John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	 Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com,  Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust: time: Use wrapping_sub() for Ktime::sub()
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:43:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f08c06a4e8361f2cb55cd0dc1fa2bc2b0a046049.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72nSSAVkynVaAq7bQKoL6N8K2JUXp8AOVvu7vN+siAhk-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2024-04-12 at 09:14 +0200, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:08 AM Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Currently since Rust code is compiled with "-Coverflow-checks=y",
> > so a
> 
> Nit: it is enabled by default, but configurable
> (`CONFIG_RUST_OVERFLOW_CHECKS`).

Is that going to remain enabled by default or what was the plan here?

P.


> 
> > although overflow detection is nice to have, however this makes
> > `Ktime::sub()` behave differently than `ktime_sub()`, moreover it's
> > not
> > clear that the overflow checking is helpful, since for example, the
> > current binder usage[1] doesn't have the checking.
> > 
> > Therefore make `Ktime::sub()` have the same semantics as
> > `ktime_sub()`:
> > overflow behaves like 2s-complement wrapping sub.
> 
> If `ktime_sub()`'s callers rely on wrapping in some cases, then an
> alternative we should consider is having a method for explicitly
> wrapping, like the integers. This would allow callers to decide and
> it
> would make the expected semantics clear since the beginning (which is
> the easiest time to add this kind of thing) for Rust code.
> 
> Otherwise, I agree we should at least document the preconditions
> clearly.
> 
> Having said that, I see a `ktime_add_unsafe()` too, which was added
> due to a UBSAN report for `ktime_add()` in commit 979515c56458
> ("time:
> Avoid undefined behaviour in ktime_add_safe()"). There is also a
> private `ktime_add_safe()` too, which is a saturating one.
> 
> So, given that, can callers actually rely on wrapping for these
> functions, or not? The documentation on the C side could perhaps be
> clarified here (including the mention of UB in `ktime_add_unsafe()` -
> -
> we use `-fno-strict-overflow`) and perhaps using the `wrapping_*()` C
> functions too.
> 
> In addition, Binder calls `ktime_ms_delta()`, not `ktime_sub()`,
> right? In that case the arguments are called `later` and `earlier`,
> perhaps those have a different expectation even if `ktime_sub()` is
> allowed to overflow and thus it would make sense to check in that
> function only instead? (and document accordingly)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cheers,
> Miguel
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-12  7:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-11 23:07 [PATCH 0/2] rust: time related cleanup Boqun Feng
2024-04-11 23:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] rust: time: doc: Add missing C header links Boqun Feng
2024-04-12  7:15   ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-12 11:04   ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-30 22:10   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Boqun Feng
2024-04-11 23:08 ` [PATCH 2/2] rust: time: Use wrapping_sub() for Ktime::sub() Boqun Feng
2024-04-12  7:14   ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-12  7:43     ` Philipp Stanner [this message]
2024-04-12  7:58       ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-15 17:08         ` Kees Cook
2024-04-12 13:34     ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-12 14:41       ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-13  1:30         ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-13  2:16           ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-12  8:36   ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-12 13:18     ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-12 13:51       ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-25  9:00         ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-04-25 14:28           ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-23 21:11   ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-23 23:37     ` Kees Cook
2024-04-24 10:21       ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-05-09 12:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-13 14:06       ` Boqun Feng
2024-05-13 15:04       ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-05-14 13:12         ` Boqun Feng
2024-05-14 14:21           ` Miguel Ojeda

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