From: daw@cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: AppArmor FAQ
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:54:18 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f08ktq$c88$2@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1177005419.27654.157.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil
Stephen Smalley wrote:
>Integrity protection requires information flow control; you can't
>protect a high integrity process from being corrupted by a low integrity
>process if you don't control the flow of information. Plenty of attacks
>take the form of a untrusted process injecting data that will ultimately
>be used by a more trusted process with a surprising side effect.
I don't agree with this blanket statement. In a number of cases
of practical interest, useful integrity protection can be achieved
without full information flow control. Suppose you have a malicious
("low integrity") process A, and a target ("high integrity") process B.
We want to prevent A from attacking B. One way to do that is to ensure
that A has no overt channel it can use to attack process B, by severely
restricting A's ability to cause side effects on the rest of the world.
This is often sufficient to contain the damage that A can do.
Of course, if the intended functionality of the system requires A to
communicate data to B, and if you don't trust B's ability to handle
that data carefully enough, and if A is malicious, then you've got a
serious problem.
But in a number of cases (enough cases to be useful), you can provide
a useful level of security without needing information flow control and
without needing global, persistent labels.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-19 21:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-16 21:33 AppArmor FAQ John Johansen
2007-04-17 0:20 ` James Morris
2007-04-17 15:03 ` David Safford
2007-04-17 16:00 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 18:05 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-17 17:47 ` James Morris
2007-04-17 18:10 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-17 20:19 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-04-17 20:50 ` James Morris
2007-04-17 21:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-17 21:41 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 21:51 ` David Wagner
2007-04-17 22:17 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-18 1:34 ` James Morris
2007-04-18 1:55 ` David Wagner
2007-04-18 2:20 ` James Morris
2007-04-18 2:31 ` David Wagner
2007-04-17 22:12 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-17 22:29 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 21:58 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-18 13:45 ` James Morris
2007-04-18 14:33 ` Shaya Potter
2007-04-18 19:41 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-04-18 20:03 ` Shaya Potter
2007-04-18 21:14 ` James Morris
2007-04-19 16:35 ` David Wagner
2007-04-19 17:39 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-19 20:47 ` David Wagner
2007-04-24 0:58 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-04-24 2:03 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-04-25 1:03 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-04-19 17:14 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-19 20:08 ` David Wagner
2007-04-19 21:03 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-19 21:08 ` James Morris
2007-06-09 21:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-09 21:28 ` david
2007-06-09 23:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-10 0:06 ` david
2007-04-18 20:15 ` David Lang
2007-04-19 17:27 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-19 18:19 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-19 20:19 ` James Morris
2007-04-17 21:48 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 23:12 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-04-17 22:26 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-19 17:46 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-20 18:45 ` David Lang
2007-04-20 19:23 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 23:09 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-04-17 23:20 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 23:53 ` David Wagner
2007-04-18 1:56 ` James Morris
2007-04-18 2:08 ` David Wagner
2007-06-09 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-19 17:56 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-19 20:54 ` David Wagner [this message]
2007-04-19 21:17 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-04-17 21:55 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-04-17 22:55 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-04-17 23:13 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-09 14:11 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-18 7:21 ` Rob Meijer
2007-04-18 7:08 ` David Lang
2007-04-18 13:33 ` James Morris
2007-04-18 12:15 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-04-18 13:31 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-04-18 14:05 ` Rob Meijer
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