From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>,
Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>,
Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
Vinicius Costa Gomes <vinicius.gomes@intel.com>,
Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] sched: Fix sched domain build error for GNR, CWF in SNC-3 mode
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2025 10:15:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fc688b2dc7d6dcc27bf86a17b291962aeac18bb1.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <91ab8136-64f3-45e3-9fec-567aab193353@amd.com>
On Fri, 2025-09-12 at 10:38 +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Tim,
>
> On 9/12/2025 12:00 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
> > It is possible for Granite Rapids (GNR) and Clearwater Forest
> > (CWF) to have up to 3 dies per package. When sub-numa cluster (SNC-3)
> > is enabled, each die will become a separate NUMA node in the package
> > with different distances between dies within the same package.
> >
> > For example, on GNR, we see the following numa distances for a 2 socket
> > system with 3 dies per socket:
> >
> > package 1 package2
> > ----------------
> > | |
> > --------- ---------
> > | 0 | | 3 |
> > --------- ---------
> > | |
> > --------- ---------
> > | 1 | | 4 |
> > --------- ---------
> > | |
> > --------- ---------
> > | 2 | | 5 |
> > --------- ---------
> > | |
> > ----------------
> >
> > node distances:
> > node 0 1 2 3 4 5
> > 0: 10 15 17 21 28 26
> > 1: 15 10 15 23 26 23
> > 2: 17 15 10 26 23 21
> > 3: 21 28 26 10 15 17
> > 4: 23 26 23 15 10 15
> > 5: 26 23 21 17 15 10
> >
> > The node distances above led to 2 problems:
> >
> > 1. Asymmetric routes taken between nodes in different packages led to
> > asymmetric scheduler domain perspective depending on which node you
> > are on. Current scheduler code failed to build domains properly with
> > asymmetric distances.
> >
> > 2. Multiple remote distances to respective tiles on remote package create
> > too many levels of domain hierarchies grouping different nodes between
> > remote packages.
> >
> > For example, the above GNR-X topology lead to NUMA domains below:
> >
> > Sched domains from the perspective of a CPU in node 0, where the number
> > in bracket represent node number.
> >
> > NUMA-level 1 [0,1] [2]
> > NUMA-level 2 [0,1,2] [3]
> > NUMA-level 3 [0,1,2,3] [5]
> > NUMA-level 4 [0,1,2,3,5] [4]
> >
> > Sched domains from the perspective of a CPU in node 4
> > NUMA-level 1 [4] [3,5]
> > NUMA-level 2 [3,4,5] [0,2]
> > NUMA-level 3 [0,2,3,4,5] [1]
> >
> > Scheduler group peers for load balancing from the perspective of CPU 0
> > and 4 are different. Improper task could be chosen for load balancing
> > between groups such as [0,2,3,4,5] [1]. Ideally you should choose nodes
> > in 0 or 2 that are in same package as node 1 first. But instead tasks
> > in the remote package node 3, 4, 5 could be chosen with an equal chance
> > and could lead to excessive remote package migrations and imbalance of
> > load between packages. We should not group partial remote nodes and
> > local nodes together.
> > Simplify the remote distances for CWF-X and GNR-X for the purpose of
> > sched domains building, which maintains symmetry and leads to a more
> > reasonable load balance hierarchy.
> >
> > The sched domains from the perspective of a CPU in node 0 NUMA-level 1
> > is now
> > NUMA-level 1 [0,1] [2]
> > NUMA-level 2 [0,1,2] [3,4,5]
> >
> > The sched domains from the perspective of a CPU in node 4 NUMA-level 1
> > is now
> > NUMA-level 1 [4] [3,5]
> > NUMA-level 2 [3,4,5] [0,1,2]
> >
> > We have the same balancing perspective from node 0 or node 4. Loads are
> > now balanced equally between packages.
> >
> > Tested-by: Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>
> > Co-developed-by: Vinicius Costa Gomes <vinicius.gomes@intel.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Vinicius Costa Gomes <vinicius.gomes@intel.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
>
> Feel free to include:
>
> Reviewed-and-tested-by: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Thanks for reviewing and testing.
Tim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-15 17:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-11 18:30 [PATCH v3 0/2] Fix NUMA sched domain build errors for GNR and CWF Tim Chen
2025-09-11 18:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] sched: Create architecture specific sched domain distances Tim Chen
2025-09-12 3:23 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-15 16:44 ` Tim Chen
2025-09-17 6:45 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-12 5:24 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-09-15 16:49 ` Tim Chen
2025-09-15 17:16 ` Tim Chen
2025-09-15 12:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-15 17:13 ` Tim Chen
2025-09-15 20:04 ` Tim Chen
2025-09-11 18:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] sched: Fix sched domain build error for GNR, CWF in SNC-3 mode Tim Chen
2025-09-12 5:08 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-15 17:15 ` Tim Chen [this message]
2025-09-12 5:39 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-09-12 9:23 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-12 11:59 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-09-15 12:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
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