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From: Babis Chalios <bchalios@amazon.es>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Olivia Mackall <olivia@selenic.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	<linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>, <graf@amazon.de>,
	<xmarcalx@amazon.co.uk>, <aams@amazon.de>, <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] random: emit reseed notifications for PRNGs
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 11:27:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff6aa77e-4e5c-488e-bd45-319fc09720c3@amazon.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2023082322-semester-heave-e5bc@gregkh>

Hi Greg,

On 23/8/23 11:08, Greg KH wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:01:05AM +0200, Babis Chalios wrote:
>> Sometimes, PRNGs need to reseed. For example, on a regular timer
>> interval, to ensure nothing consumes a random value for longer than e.g.
>> 5 minutes, or when VMs get cloned, to ensure seeds don't leak in to
>> clones.
>>
>> The notification happens through a 32bit epoch value that changes every
>> time cached entropy is no longer valid, hence PRNGs need to reseed. User
>> space applications can get hold of a pointer to this value through
>> /dev/(u)random. We introduce a new ioctl() that returns an anonymous
>> file descriptor. From this file descriptor we can mmap() a single page
>> which includes the epoch at offset 0.
>>
>> random.c maintains the epoch value in a global shared page. It exposes
>> a registration API for kernel subsystems that are able to notify when
>> reseeding is needed. Notifiers register with random.c and receive a
>> unique 8bit ID and a pointer to the epoch. When they need to report a
>> reseeding event they write a new epoch value which includes the
>> notifier ID in the first 8 bits and an increasing counter value in the
>> remaining 24 bits:
>>
>>                RNG epoch
>> *-------------*---------------------*
>> | notifier id | epoch counter value |
>> *-------------*---------------------*
>>       8 bits           24 bits
> Why not just use 32/32 for a full 64bit value, or better yet, 2
> different variables?  Why is 32bits and packing things together here
> somehow simpler?

We made it 32 bits so that we can read/write it atomically in all 32bit 
architectures.
Do you think that's not a problem?

Cheers,
Babis

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-23  9:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-23  9:01 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Propagating reseed notifications to user space Babis Chalios
2023-08-23  9:01 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] random: emit reseed notifications for PRNGs Babis Chalios
2023-08-23  9:08   ` Greg KH
2023-08-23  9:27     ` Babis Chalios [this message]
2023-08-23 10:06       ` Greg KH
     [not found]         ` <89ce1064-e4a3-461f-8a78-88e72e5b6419@amazon.es>
2023-08-23 10:20           ` Alexander Graf
2023-08-23 10:25           ` Greg KH
2023-08-23 10:37             ` Alexander Graf
2023-08-23  9:01 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] virtio-rng: implement entropy leak feature Babis Chalios
2023-09-04 13:44 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Propagating reseed notifications to user space Babis Chalios
2023-09-04 14:42   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2023-09-04 14:54     ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-06 14:25     ` Alexander Graf
2023-09-17 13:34 ` Yann Droneaud
2023-09-18  8:32   ` Alexander Graf

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