From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree
Date: 20 Apr 2002 12:44:01 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1662m43da.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16ya3u-0000RG-00@starship> <m1elha45q0.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <E16ycuh-0000Wg-00@starship>
Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net> writes:
> All of what you said, 100% agreed, and insightful, in particular:
>
> On Saturday 20 April 2002 19:53, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > I can see the potential for this to break down. However we should
> > not be crying wolf until this actually does break down.
>
> Do we want it to break down first? I don't want that.
The price of freedom is continual vigilance.
So when confronted by changes in practice that we aren't sure about
the appropriate procedure is to ask (publicly?). If this is keeping
developers from participating. Or if it is placing a significant
barrier in the way of developers. If we start the conversation
without condemnation of change, we won't be crying wolf. Only asking
is that a wolf?
Addressing the filter is doing X fun. For me working with near-free
tools is not fun, because I must always be aware of the difference. I
am never quite certain where I stand with the tool vendor. The tool
is not free obviously because money making opportunities are more
important than my ability to use and modify the tool.
At the same time constant vigilance even of free software is required.
A non-free tool that does a sufficiently good job that I don't feel
like fixing it, is usable. It simply becomes a minor background
irritant that I can ignore.
Linus working more efficiently so he can accept more patches is
obviously more fun :)
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-20 18:51 UTC|newest]
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2002-04-19 15:12 [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 16:25 ` David Lang
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 16:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-20 17:38 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 2:26 ` Ian Molton
2002-06-18 19:12 ` Greg Stark
2002-04-20 17:19 ` [PATCH] " Roman Zippel
2002-04-20 21:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 21:36 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-20 21:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 0:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 9:22 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 10:05 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 10:17 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-04-21 11:10 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 16:46 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:05 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 17:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 13:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-21 13:41 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 16:50 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 17:18 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 15:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 12:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-22 16:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-23 13:49 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 15:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 17:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 18:12 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 17:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 17:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-23 15:05 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-23 15:27 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-21 2:30 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 15:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 23:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-26 21:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-20 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 16:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:54 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 2:36 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 15:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 16:29 ` Nils Philippsen
2002-04-20 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 16:13 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 16:51 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-19 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 17:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-19 21:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-19 22:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 22:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:41 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 15:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 15:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:59 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 16:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 16:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:02 ` arjan
2002-04-20 22:30 ` Stelian Pop
2002-04-21 2:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:37 ` Russell King
2002-04-20 23:15 ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-04-20 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 1:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-04-21 15:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 22:00 ` Stevie O
2002-04-20 22:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 2:48 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-20 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:16 ` Suggestion " CaT
2002-04-21 17:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 17:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:54 ` CaT
2002-04-21 18:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 19:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 6:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-22 10:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 10:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 10:57 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-04-21 22:08 ` Barry K. Nathan
2002-04-21 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 12:10 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:02 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 15:07 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-04-23 15:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-23 16:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-24 9:03 ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-24 11:33 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-21 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 18:25 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:51 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-20 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:19 ` Dave Jones
2002-04-20 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-20 18:35 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-19 19:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 2:53 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 1:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 16:26 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-20 16:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:27 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 16:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 16:45 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-20 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-19 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 17:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-19 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:44 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2002-04-19 19:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:48 ` Russell King
2002-04-19 19:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 2:57 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 2:56 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 3:46 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 3:43 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 4:05 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 1:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-24 2:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 3:59 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:32 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-21 5:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-21 12:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 15:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 15:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 16:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:53 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 20:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:53 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:21 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-21 21:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 21:45 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 22:08 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 22:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:30 ` Doug Ledford
2002-04-22 21:33 ` Nicholas Harring
2002-04-25 20:53 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-21 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-23 20:45 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-25 3:51 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 3:55 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-04-25 12:38 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-25 13:33 ` David Woodhouse
2002-04-25 14:29 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-25 15:41 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-22 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-27 18:59 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-26 20:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-28 17:52 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-27 20:02 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 17:40 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 18:47 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:07 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-28 19:41 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 19:49 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-28 19:42 ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-28 20:03 ` tomas szepe
2002-04-28 20:11 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-28 20:40 ` Kiss The Blade
2002-04-29 6:55 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-29 6:55 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-04-28 20:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-04-27 20:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 17:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:48 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 21:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:57 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 18:01 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 18:29 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-21 18:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 19:41 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-23 4:57 ` Andre Pang
2002-04-22 11:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-23 5:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-21 4:31 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 4:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:42 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 4:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 4:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-21 6:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-21 11:18 ` Ian Molton
2002-04-21 16:28 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 12:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:14 ` Impressions of 2.5.8 Matthew D. Pitts
2002-04-21 4:40 ` BK, deltas, snapshots and fate of -pre Skip Ford
2002-04-21 8:31 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 13:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 13:08 ` Russell King
2002-04-21 20:53 ` Skip Ford
2002-04-21 16:35 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 17:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 18:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:26 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 6:33 ` Rusty Russell
2002-04-21 15:36 ` [PATCH] Remove Bitkeeper documentation from Linux tree Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 9:28 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-04-21 15:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 18:11 ` John Alvord
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-04-21 15:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:09 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <20020421101731.D10525@work.bitmover.com>
2002-04-21 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 17:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-20 18:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-20 18:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 18:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 14:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 18:38 ` yodaiken
2002-04-21 18:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-20 18:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-21 19:06 ` dean gaudet
2002-04-21 14:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:30 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-21 17:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 17:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 17:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 20:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-21 20:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-22 22:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-21 20:22 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-22 0:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-04-22 20:32 ` Jeff Garzik
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-22 18:37 Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 18:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 19:19 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:51 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:56 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 20:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-22 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:53 ` Jonathan A. George
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-04-22 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-04-22 21:13 ` Rik van Riel
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