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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [0/11] SYSCTL: Use RCU to avoid races with string sysctls
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:31:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17hshjbwk.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091221020427.GA25372@basil.fritz.box> (Andi Kleen's message of "Mon\, 21 Dec 2009 03\:04\:28 +0100")

Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> writes:

> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 05:59:59PM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> writes:
>> 
>> > With BKL-less sysctls most of the writable string sysctls are racy. There
>> > is no locking on the reader side, so a reader could see an inconsistent
>> > string or worse miss the terminating null and walk of beyond it.
>> 
>> The walk will only extend up to the maximum length of the string.
>> So the worst case really is inconsistent data.
>
> It could still miss the 0 byte and walk out, can't it?

Looking again.  Yes it appears there is a small vulnerability there.

The code does:

	len = strlen(data);
	if (len > maxlen)
		len = maxlen;

So we should be calling:
   len = strnlen(data, maxlen);

At which point we won't be able to walk out.

The write side appears to be in need of strnlen_user
as well, so it does not walk all of user space looking
for null byte.

>> This is an unfortunate corner case.  This is not a regression as this
>> has been the way things have worked for years.  So probably 2.6.34
>>  material.
>
> The one that's a clear regression is the core pattern one, that 
> was protected before by the BKL. A lot of others were always
> broken yes.

Nope.  The core pattern just thought it was protected by BKL.  I did
not change the /proc/sys code path to remove the BKL.  I don't know
if we ever took the BKL on the /proc/sys codepath.

I remember looking at the core pattern earlier and my memory is that
sysctl is new enough that core pattern was not protected by the BKL on the
/proc/sys path when it was introduced.

There was a lot of confusing code in the sys_sysctl code path (which
grabbed the BKL) so I expect people thought they were safe due to the
BKL when they were not.

So we have sysctl have locking problems, not new sysctl regressions.

>> > This patch kit adds a new "rcu string" variant to avoid these 
>> > problems and convers the racy users. One the writer side the strings are 
>> > always copied to new memory and the readers use rcu_read_lock()
>> > to get a stable view. For readers who access the string over
>> > sleeps the reader copies the string. 
>> 
>> I will have to look more after the holidays.  This rcu_string looks like
>> it introduces allocations on paths that did not use them before, which
>> has me wondering a bit.
>
> On the reader side about all of them allocated before, e.g. for
> call_usermodehelper.

That sounds like less of an issue.

> If the strings were made a bit smaller this could be also 
> put on the stack, but I didn't dare for 256 bytes. 

Hmm.  rcu wise that sounds wrong, but I haven't looked into your
cool new data structure yet.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-21  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-21  1:20 [PATCH] [0/11] SYSCTL: Use RCU to avoid races with string sysctls Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [1/11] Add rcustring ADT for RCU protected strings Andi Kleen
2009-12-22  2:46   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-22 10:05     ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 20:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [2/11] Add a kernel_address() that works for data too Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [3/11] SYSCTL: Add proc_rcu_string to manage sysctls using rcu strings Andi Kleen
2009-12-22  2:51   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-22  3:00     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-22  7:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [4/11] SYSCTL: Use RCU strings for core_pattern sysctl Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [5/11] SYSCTL: Add call_usermodehelper_cleanup() Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [6/11] SYSCTL: Convert modprobe_path to proc_rcu_string() Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [7/11] SYSCTL: Convert poweroff_command to proc_rcu_string Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [8/11] SYSCTL: Convert hotplug helper string to proc_rcu_string() Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 19:03   ` Greg KH
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [9/11] SYSCTL: Add a mutex to the page_alloc zone order sysctl Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [10/11] SYSCTL: Use RCU protected sysctl for ocfs group add helper Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:20 ` [PATCH] [11/11] SYSCTL: Convert IRDA text sysctl to RCU Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  1:59 ` [PATCH] [0/11] SYSCTL: Use RCU to avoid races with string sysctls Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-21  2:04   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-21  2:31     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-12-21  3:21       ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-12-21  7:57 Alexey Dobriyan
2009-12-21 10:50 ` Andi Kleen

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