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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] allow execve'ing "/proc/self/exe" even if /proc is not  mounted
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:02:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m17hz0i449.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1158166a0906241600w5f7f4ffcm49d9c849f0c27f72@mail.gmail.com> (Denys Vlasenko's message of "Thu\, 25 Jun 2009 01\:00\:56 +0200")

Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com> writes:

> In some circumstances running process needs to re-execute
> its image.
>
> Among other useful cases, it is _crucial_ for NOMMU arches.
>
> They need it to perform daemonization. Classic sequence
> of "fork, parent dies, child continues" can't be used
> due to lack of fork on NOMMU, and instead we have to do
> "vfork, child re-exec itself (with a flag to not daemonize)
> and therefore unblocks parent, parent dies".

Why?

I would expect a simple assembly wrapper around clone would work.
I.e.  Create a new process but share the MM and reuse the same
stack. When clone returns if we are the parent exit, otherwise
continue on with life.

> Another crucial use case on NOMMU is POSIX shell support.
> Imagine a shell command of the form "func1 | func2 | func3".
> This can be implemented on NOMMU by vforking thrice,
> re-executing the shell in every child in the form
> "<shell> -c 'body of funcN'", and letting parent wait and collect
> exitcodes and such. As far as I can see, it's the only way
> to implement it correctly on NOMMU.
>
> The program may re-execute itself by name if it knows the name,
> but we generally may be unsure about it. Binary may be renamed,
> or even deleted while it is being run.

It really sounds like you want to implement fork for NOMMU.
If you have a base address register which everything is relative
to I can't imagine it would be too hard.  Heck you might even be
able to do it in user space.  

Eric


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-25 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-24 23:00 [PATCH] allow execve'ing "/proc/self/exe" even if /proc is not mounted Denys Vlasenko
2009-06-24 23:21 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-24 23:49   ` Denys Vlasenko
2009-06-24 14:51     ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-25  0:26     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-26  8:06     ` Florian Weimer
2009-06-24 23:58 ` Al Viro
2009-06-25  0:07   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 23:18   ` Denys Vlasenko
2009-06-25  8:10 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-26  8:00   ` Denys Vlasenko
2009-06-26 13:26     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 22:55       ` Denys Vlasenko
2009-06-28 19:31         ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 18:02 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-06-25 18:16   ` Mike Frysinger

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