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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Mike Kravetz <kravetz@us.ibm.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Context switch times
Date: 05 Oct 2001 09:15:37 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1adz6yv6u.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110041647130.975-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110041647130.975-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com> writes:

> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Mike Kravetz wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:42:37PM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > Could we try to hit just two? Probably, but it doesn't really matter,
> > > though: to make the lmbench scheduler benchmark go at full speed, you
> > > want to limit it to _one_ CPU, which is not sensible in real-life
> > > situations.
> >
> > Can you clarify?  I agree that tuning the system for the best LMbench
> > performance is not a good thing to do!  However, in general on an
> > 8 CPU system with only 2 'active' tasks I would think limiting the
> > tasks to 2 CPUs would be desirable for cache effects.
> 
> Yes, limiting to 2 CPU's probably gets better cache behaviour, and it
> might be worth looking into why it doesn't. The CPU affinity _should_
> prioritize it down to two, but I haven't thought through your theory about
> IPI latency.

I don't know what it is but I have seen this excessive cpu switching
in the wild.  In particular on a dual processor machine I ran 2 cpu
intensive jobs, and a handful of daemons.  And the cpu intensive jobs
would switch cpus every couple of seconds.  

I was investigating it because on the Athlon I was running on a
customer was getting a super linear speed up.  With one processes it
would take 8 minutes, and with 2 processes one would take 8 minutes
and the other would take 6 minutes.  Very strange.  

These processes except at their very beginning did no I/O and were
pure cpu hogs until they spit out their results.  Very puzzling.
I can't see why we would ever want to take the cache miss penalty of
switching cpus, in this case.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-05 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-04 21:04 Context switch times Mike Kravetz
2001-10-04 21:14 ` arjan
2001-10-04 21:25   ` David S. Miller
2001-10-04 21:39     ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 21:52       ` David S. Miller
2001-10-04 21:55         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 22:35           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-04 22:49             ` Mike Kravetz
2001-10-04 22:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 22:53             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-05 15:13               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 17:49                 ` george anzinger
2001-10-05 22:29                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 22:56                     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 23:04                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 23:16                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 23:17                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-05 23:21                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 23:43                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-10-07  1:20                     ` george anzinger
2001-10-07  1:33                       ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-07  9:56                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-06  2:24                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-10-06  2:57                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-07  9:57                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 13:03                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-10-07 13:48                     ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 14:24                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-10-07 14:33                         ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 18:00                           ` george anzinger
2001-10-07 22:06                             ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 22:31                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-07 22:33                                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-07 23:49                               ` george anzinger
2001-10-08 21:07                                 ` Mika Liljeberg
2001-10-08 22:54                                   ` discontig physical memory Petko Manolov
2001-10-08 23:05                                     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-08 23:18                                       ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-08 23:29                                         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-09  0:34                                           ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-09  0:36                                           ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-09  1:37                                             ` David S. Miller
2001-10-09  2:43                                               ` Petko Manolov
2001-10-08 15:19                           ` Context switch times bill davidsen
2001-10-10  6:07                             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-07 18:39                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-09 20:37                   ` Hubertus Franke
2001-10-09 23:50                     ` george anzinger
2001-10-11 10:52                       ` Hubertus Franke
2001-10-04 23:41             ` Mike Kravetz
2001-10-04 23:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 15:15                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2001-10-04 23:56               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05  0:45               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-05  4:35                 ` Mike Kravetz
2001-10-07 17:59                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-07 19:54                     ` george anzinger
2001-10-07 20:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-09  4:55         ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-09  5:00           ` David S. Miller
2001-10-09 13:49           ` bill davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-05  6:31 Michailidis, Dimitrios

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