Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Wolfgang Draxinger]

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A few weeks ago I was updating cdrecord, and as ever when doing 
updates I'm RTFM (as any user should). Now while doing so I ran about 
a few lines, complainung about the Linux developers attitude to some 
patched, and so on, well, the address developers surely know what I 
mean. However I was disturbed by the fact, that despite a lot of 
flaming there only few code examples. Admittingly: Not getting back 
the SCSI error codes is a problem (it somehow reminds me on the GPL 
vs. BSD joke, where GPL people try to fetch any sort of error while 
BSD people just don't let errors happen), but communicating with HW 
it's surely a good idea to do as much error checking possible, as 
long it's for a sane reason and not just for the heck of it.

So there was this patch by Jörg Schilling, which IMHO inroduced a nice 
solution to the problem, yet keeping compatibility. The awnser by 
Douglas Gilbert seemed not so elegant to me. However I also know that 
you don't reject a patch without reason. And this is what I wasn't 
able to find on the archives.

Lately I had a few emails with Jörg and despite his contra Linux 
attitude (Ok, he likes OpenSolaris more than Linux, so let him do so; 
but instead of OpenSolaris, which tries to follow a pure academic 
style, Linux _just works_) I got no information of any real technical 
value.

Well I didn't cared about the so called issues, as I never had 
problems with cdrecord - ok the SUID bug required me to workaround, 
but nothing that a 5 line sh script and a "%cdrw  ALL=(ALL) 
NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/cdrecord.real" rule for sudo can't solve.

But a today's post on heise.de user forums really made me wonder, 
what's the problem of the guy is - on a pure technically base.

So what's the Linux Kernel developers' opinion on the lack of SCSI 
error code return, technically?

Happy coding

-- 
Wolfgang Draxinger
lead programmer - DARKSTARgames


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Re: Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Andi Kleen]

Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> writes:
>
> So what's the Linux Kernel developers' opinion on the lack of SCSI 
> error code return, technically?

The Linux Kernel developers' opinion is that J.S. is offtopic 
on this list. 

If you want to discuss specific SCSI technical issues send a mail with
only technical content to linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org

-Andi

Re: Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Bill Davidsen]

Andi Kleen wrote:
> Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> writes:
> 
>>So what's the Linux Kernel developers' opinion on the lack of SCSI 
>>error code return, technically?
> 
> 
> The Linux Kernel developers' opinion is that J.S. is offtopic 
> on this list. 
> 
> If you want to discuss specific SCSI technical issues send a mail with
> only technical content to linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org

That seems an unintuitive place to comment on a problem which appears to 
be in ide-cd.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   CTO TMR Associates, Inc
   Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

Re: Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz]

On 6/15/05, Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> writes:
> >
> >>So what's the Linux Kernel developers' opinion on the lack of SCSI
> >>error code return, technically?
> >
> >
> > The Linux Kernel developers' opinion is that J.S. is offtopic
> > on this list.
> >
> > If you want to discuss specific SCSI technical issues send a mail with
> > only technical content to linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
> 
> That seems an unintuitive place to comment on a problem which appears to
> be in ide-cd.

There is also linux-ide@vger.kernel.org.

Re: Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Bodo Eggert]

Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> wrote:

> Well I didn't cared about the so called issues, as I never had
> problems with cdrecord - ok the SUID bug required me to workaround,
> but nothing that a 5 line sh script and a "%cdrw  ALL=(ALL)
> NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/cdrecord.real" rule for sudo can't solve.

The new alpha version of cdrtools has the workaround.
-- 
Ich danke GMX dafür, die Verwendung meiner Adressen mittels per SPF
verbreiteten Lügen zu sabotieren.

Re: Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Måns Rullgård]

Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org> writes:

> Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> wrote:
>
>> Well I didn't cared about the so called issues, as I never had
>> problems with cdrecord - ok the SUID bug required me to workaround,
>> but nothing that a 5 line sh script and a "%cdrw  ALL=(ALL)
>> NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/cdrecord.real" rule for sudo can't solve.
>
> The new alpha version of cdrtools has the workaround.

Workaround for what?  The only workaround I've ever needed with
cdrecord is closing my eyes while all those silly warnings scroll by.

-- 
Måns Rullgård
mru@inprovide.com

Re: Jörg Schilling again... [Please reply CC: wdraxinger@darkstargames.de]

[Bodo Eggert]

Måns Rullgård <mru@inprovide.com> wrote:
> Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org> writes:

>> The new alpha version of cdrtools has the workaround.
> 
> Workaround for what?

Non-MMC-drives which need commands that aren't (and maybe can't be) marked
as safe.
-- 
Ich danke GMX dafür, die Verwendung meiner Adressen mittels per SPF
verbreiteten Lügen zu sabotieren.