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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
	"Bryan Donlan" <bdonlan@gmail.com>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Benny Amorsen" <benny+usenet@amorsen.dk>,
	"Michael Stone" <michael@laptop.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm>,
	"Oliver Hartkopp" <socketcan@hartkopp.net>,
	"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@cscott.net>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Bernie Innocenti" <bernie@codewiz.org>,
	"Mark Seaborn" <mrs@mythic-beasts.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	"Américo Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	"Samir Bellabes" <sam@synack.fr>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising of privileges
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:07:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1fx6suswz.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091230183513.GC14493@us.ibm.com> (Serge E. Hallyn's message of "Wed\, 30 Dec 2009 12\:35\:13 -0600")

"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com> writes:

> Quoting Andrew G. Morgan (morgan@kernel.org):
>> Eric,
>> 
>> I'm not clear why capabilities need to be manipulated by this feature
>> (the pure capability support already has a feature for disabling
>> privilege and blocking unsafe, or insufficient privilege, execution).
>
> Not entirely - this option would also prevent file capabilities from
> being honored.

All my patch does is verify the caller doesn't have privilege.

>> Perhaps I'm just unclear what features can be more safely enabled with
>> this in effect - that is, your description suggests that this is why
>> you are doing this, but leaves it unclear what they are. Could you
>> take a few moments to enumerate some of them?
>
> There are two desirable features which are at the moment unsafe for
> unprivileged users, because it allows them to fool privileged (setuid
> or bearing file capabilities) programs.  One is to unconditionally
> restrict privilege to yourself and all your descendents.  The recent
> disablenetwork patchset is one example.  The other is the ability to
> make substantial changes to your environment in a private namespace.
> A private namespace can protect already-running privileged program,
> but cannot protect privilege-bearing binaries.  Unless we prevent
> them from bearing privilege.  Which is what this patch does.

Effectively by ensuring privileges can not be raised this removes
the set of circumstances that lead to the sendmail capabilities bug.

So any kernel feature that requires capabilities only because not
doing so would break backwards compatibility with suid applications.
This includes namespace manipulation, like plan 9.
This includes unsharing pid and network and sysvipc namespaces.

There are probably other useful but currently root only features
that this will allow to be used by unprivileged processes, that
I am not aware of.

In addition to the fact that knowing privileges can not be escalated
by a process is a good feature all by itself.  Run this in a chroot
and the programs will never be able to gain root access even if
there are suid binaries available for them to execute.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-30 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-27  1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  3:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  1:21       ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  7:53   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29  1:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09       ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:20   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11       ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44           ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54         ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58           ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11  1:07               ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11  1:45                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12  6:10                     ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14  9:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36                             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:10                                     ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-17  2:58                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
     [not found]                                           ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17  4:58                                             ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-17  6:01                                       ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
     [not found]                                         ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-12 18:30                     ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) David Wagner
2010-01-13 20:23                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11  1:46                 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12  3:19                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  4:01                     ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11  1:29             ` David Wagner
2010-01-11 13:39               ` Simon Horman
2010-01-12  2:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  7:59               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14  9:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 14:30                     ` David Wagner
2010-01-18 12:54                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56                       ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 23:08             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41               ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11  1:50                 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11  2:15                   ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11  1:41             ` David Wagner
2010-01-10 22:58           ` James Morris
2010-01-11  1:21           ` David Wagner
2009-12-27  1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:39   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27  8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27  8:38   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49     ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18       ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47         ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08         ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28  6:07           ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29  6:08                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 15:06                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31               ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 22:10                   ` David Wagner
2009-12-28 23:54                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29  0:42                       ` David Wagner
2009-12-29  1:39                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-01 15:55                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 18:13           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  5:01             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:31                 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 11:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01                       ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10                     ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35                             ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  3:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  4:29                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:35                               ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:54                                 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30  4:33                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  4:57                                     ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49                                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07                                             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-12-30 20:17                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15                                                 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29                                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00                                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  2:44                                                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33                                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52                                                             ` David Wagner
2009-12-31 17:52                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20                                                               ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35                                                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18                                                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02  0:42                                                                           ` Peter Dolding
     [not found]                                                                             ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03  1:43                                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46                                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17                                                                   ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57                                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  8:57                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00                                                         ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08                                                           ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06                                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:55                                                               ` David Wagner
2010-01-01 14:46                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-02  6:23                                                                   ` David Wagner
2010-01-02 13:55                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-01-04  0:55                                                                       ` David Wagner
2010-01-01  0:12                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29                                         ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03                   ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06                 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30  7:24                 ` David Wagner
2009-12-30 16:26                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-01 11:41                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-02  6:28                     ` David Wagner
2010-01-01 15:11               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27  8:51   ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55   ` Michael Stone

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