From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call
Date: 23 Feb 2003 12:54:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1k7fqn56k.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <316510000.1045961436@flay>
"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com> writes:
> > On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 03:38:10AM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >> ia32 big iron. sigh. I think that's so unfortunately in a number
> >> of ways, but the main reason, of course, is that highmem is evil :)
>
> One phrase ... "price:performance ratio". That's all it's about.
> The only thing that will kill 32-bit big iron is the availability of
> cheap 64 bit chips. It's a free-market economy.
>
> It's ugly to program, but it's cheap, and it works.
I guess ugly to program is in the eye of the beholder. The big platforms
have always seemed much worse to me. When every box is feels free to
change things in arbitrary ways for no good reason. Or where OS and
other low-level software must know exactly which motherboard they are
running on to work properly.
Gratuitous incompatibilities are the ugliest thing I have ever seen.
Much less ugly then the warts a real platform accumulates because it
is designed to actually be used.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-02-23 19:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-02-21 23:48 Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Hanna Linder
2003-02-22 0:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 0:25 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 2:24 ` Steven Cole
2003-02-22 0:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 2:47 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 4:32 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 5:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 6:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 8:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-22 22:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 0:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 11:22 ` Magnus Danielson
2003-02-23 19:54 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2003-02-23 1:17 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 5:21 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 8:07 ` David Lang
2003-02-23 8:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 19:29 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 20:13 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 22:01 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:12 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 21:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 22:40 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:48 ` David Lang
2003-02-23 22:54 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:56 ` David Lang
2003-02-24 0:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 2:32 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 3:08 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 21:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24 1:06 ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24 1:56 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 2:15 ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24 3:11 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:59 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 3:49 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24 4:07 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 4:34 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 5:02 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 20:21 ` Xavier Bestel
2003-02-23 20:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24 1:26 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-02-24 1:53 ` dean gaudet
2003-02-23 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-23 21:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 0:01 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 0:36 ` yodaiken
2003-02-23 21:15 ` John Bradford
2003-02-23 21:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 1:25 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 21:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:13 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:28 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-26 8:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 20:48 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 9:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 8:38 ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 8:38 ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 14:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 15:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:13 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:59 ` John Bradford
2003-02-24 18:00 ` Timothy D. Witham
2003-02-22 8:32 ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 18:20 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-22 20:05 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-22 21:36 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-22 21:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-23 23:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 3:31 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24 4:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 4:15 ` Russell Leighton
2003-02-24 5:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 8:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-23 0:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 0:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 14:29 ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-23 17:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-24 1:42 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 3:24 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-23 16:14 ` object-based rmap and pte-highmem Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 19:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 20:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 22:07 ` pte-highmem vs UKVA (was: object-based rmap and pte-highmem) Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 22:10 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 3:07 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 17:17 ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 17:43 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 18:04 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 18:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 19:27 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 20:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 20:53 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 21:12 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 22:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 22:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 22:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 21:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-26 5:24 ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-26 5:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 6:01 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-26 6:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 6:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 16:02 ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-27 3:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-25 20:10 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 20:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 20:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 20:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2003-02-22 19:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 20:24 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 22:06 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 22:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 0:09 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 8:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-23 8:05 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 18:36 ` Andy Pfiffer
2003-02-22 22:44 ` Ben Greear
2003-02-23 23:29 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-23 23:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 4:57 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 6:10 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-24 6:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 7:46 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 7:44 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 7:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 8:00 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 8:40 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 8:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 16:17 ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:27 ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:54 ` yodaiken
2003-02-25 2:17 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:24 ` yodaiken
2003-02-25 2:35 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:43 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:40 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 5:24 ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-25 15:30 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 14:59 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 15:44 ` yodaiken
2003-02-26 19:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-27 0:56 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-27 20:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-25 2:07 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:24 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-25 14:47 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-02-25 15:59 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-24 8:56 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 9:09 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 9:24 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 9:56 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 10:11 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 14:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 21:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24 8:43 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:10 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 23:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:46 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 2:19 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25 3:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 5:12 ` Steven Cole
2003-02-25 20:37 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:36 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25 23:28 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 23:41 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26 0:19 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-26 0:35 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26 16:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 0:47 ` Steven Cole
2003-02-26 16:07 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 19:47 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-26 6:04 ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-02-26 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 23:58 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-22 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-22 23:54 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 23:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 4:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 5:06 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 6:00 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-24 6:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24 23:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 5:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 6:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 7:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 18:22 ` John W. M. Stevens
2003-02-24 7:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:47 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:00 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:23 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-24 16:25 ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 18:20 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24 16:31 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 23:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 0:23 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-25 4:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 4:54 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 6:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 7:00 ` Val Henson
2003-02-24 13:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 5:19 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 5:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 21:21 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:10 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:37 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 22:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 6:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 17:11 ` Cliff White
2003-02-25 17:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:54 ` Dave Jones
2003-02-26 2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 19:59 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 20:18 ` jlnance
2003-02-25 20:59 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:19 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:38 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-24 18:44 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-02-22 23:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-23 23:57 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 6:22 ` Val Henson
2003-02-24 6:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:29 ` Jeff Garzik
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-24 2:04 linux
2003-02-24 2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 3:28 ` David Lang
2003-02-26 5:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26 5:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 7:22 ` David Lang
2003-02-27 17:50 ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-27 18:25 ` David Lang
2003-02-28 8:58 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-02-28 19:48 ` Arador
2003-03-01 0:51 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-03-01 1:14 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-01 1:27 ` David Lang
2003-03-01 14:15 ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-24 4:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 4:58 ` Linus Torvalds
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