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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no>
Cc: Derek Glidden <dglidden@illusionary.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Break 2.4 VM in five easy steps
Date: 07 Jun 2001 10:56:24 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1k82o44av.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B1D5ADE.7FA50CD0@illusionary.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106051634540.8311-100000@heat.gghcwest.com> <3B1D927E.1B2EBE76@uow.edu.au> <20010605231908.A10520@illusionary.com> <3B1DEAC7.43DEFA1C@idb.hist.no> <3B1E437C.D5D339EB@illusionary.com> <3B1F2BFE.28E7CCF0@idb.hist.no>
In-Reply-To: <3B1F2BFE.28E7CCF0@idb.hist.no>

Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no> writes:

> A problem with this is that normal paging-in is allowed to page other
> things out as well.  But you can't have that when swap is about to
> be turned off.  My guess is that swapoff functionality was perceived to
> be so seldom used that they didn't bother too much with scheduling 
> or efficiency.

There is some truth in that.  You aren't allowed to allocate new pages
in the swap space currently being removed however.  The current swap
off code removes pages from the current swap space without breaking
any sharing between swap pages.  Depending on your load this may be
important.  Fixing swapoff to be more efficient while at the same time
keeping sharing between pages is tricky.  That under loads that are
easy to trigger in 2.4 swapoff never sleeps is a big bug.

> I don't have the same problem myself though.  Shutting down with
> 30M or so in swap never take unusual time on 2.4.x kernels here,
> with a 300MHz processor.  I did a test while typing this letter,
> almost filling the 96M swap partition with 88M.  swapoff
> took 1 minute at 100% cpu.  This is long, but the machine was responsive
> most of that time.  I.e. no worse than during a kernel compile.
> The machine froze 10 seconds or so at the end of the minute, I can
> imagine that biting with bigger swap.

O.k. so at some point you actually wait for I/O and other process get
a chance to run.  On the larger machines we never wait for I/O and
thus never schedule at all.

The problem is now understood.  Now we just need to fix it.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-07 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-05 22:19 Break 2.4 VM in five easy steps Derek Glidden
2001-06-05 23:38 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-06-06  1:42   ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-06  7:14     ` Sean Hunter
2001-06-06  7:47     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-06  2:16   ` Andrew Morton
2001-06-06  3:19     ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-06  8:19       ` Xavier Bestel
2001-06-06  8:54         ` Sean Hunter
2001-06-06  9:16           ` Xavier Bestel
2001-06-06  9:25             ` Sean Hunter
2001-06-06 10:04             ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-06  9:57           ` Dr S.M. Huen
2001-06-06 10:06             ` DBs (ML)
2001-06-06 10:08             ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2001-06-06 10:19               ` Lauri Tischler
2001-06-06 10:22             ` Sean Hunter
2001-06-06 10:48               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-06 16:58                 ` dean gaudet
2001-06-06 17:10                 ` Remi Turk
2001-06-06 22:44                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-06-09  7:17               ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-06 16:47             ` dean gaudet
2001-06-06 17:17             ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-06-06 18:35               ` Dr S.M. Huen
2001-06-06 18:40                 ` Mark Salisbury
2001-06-06 19:11             ` android
2001-06-07  0:27               ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-07  0:20             ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-09  8:16               ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-09  8:57                 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-07 21:31             ` Shane Nay
2001-06-07 20:00               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-07 21:55                 ` Shane Nay
2001-06-07 20:29                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-07 23:29                     ` VM Report was:Re: " Shane Nay
2001-06-08  1:18                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-08 12:50                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-08 14:19                         ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-08 15:51                           ` John Stoffel
2001-06-08 17:01                             ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-08 17:43                               ` John Stoffel
2001-06-08 17:35                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-08 20:58                                   ` John Stoffel
2001-06-08 20:04                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-08 23:44                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-09  2:36                                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-06-09  6:33                                         ` Mark Hahn
2001-06-09  3:43                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-09  4:05                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-09  5:09                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-09  5:07                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-08 18:30                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-09 12:31                                   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-06-09  3:34                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-08 16:51                           ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-08 19:09                             ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-06-09  4:36                               ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-06 11:16           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-06 15:28             ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-06 15:42               ` Christian Bornträger
2001-06-06 15:57                 ` Requirement: swap = RAM x 2.5 ?? Jeff Garzik
2001-06-06 16:12                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-06 16:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-06 16:19                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-06 16:53                         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-06 17:05                     ` Greg Hennessy
2001-06-06 18:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07  1:29                     ` Jan Harkes
2001-06-06 17:14               ` Break 2.4 VM in five easy steps Ben Greear
2001-06-06 12:07           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-06 13:58           ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-08  4:56             ` C. Martins
2001-06-06 14:41         ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-06 20:29         ` José Luis Domingo López
2001-06-06 14:16       ` Disconnect
     [not found]       ` <3B1DEAC7.43DEFA1C@idb.hist.no>
2001-06-06 14:51         ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-06 21:34           ` Alan Cox
2001-06-09  8:07             ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-07  7:23           ` Helge Hafting
2001-06-07 16:56             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2001-06-07 20:24             ` José Luis Domingo López
2001-06-06  4:03     ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-06-06 13:32     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-06 14:41     ` Marc Heckmann
2001-06-06 14:51     ` Hugh Dickins
2001-06-06 13:08   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-06 16:48     ` Jeffrey W. Baker
     [not found] ` <m2lmn61ceb.fsf@sympatico.ca>
2001-06-06 14:37   ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-07  0:34     ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-07  3:13       ` Miles Lane
2001-06-07 15:49         ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-07 19:06           ` Miles Lane
2001-06-09  5:57         ` Mike A. Harris
2001-06-06 18:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-06 19:39   ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-06 20:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-07  7:42   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07  8:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-06-07  8:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-06 21:39 ` android
2001-06-06 22:08 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-06 22:27 ` android
2001-06-06 22:33   ` Antoine
2001-06-06 22:38   ` Robert Love
2001-06-06 22:40 ` Jonathan Morton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-06 15:31 Derek Glidden
2001-06-06 15:46 ` John Alvord
2001-06-06 15:58   ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-06 18:27     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-06 18:47       ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-06 18:52         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-06 19:06           ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-06 19:28             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07  4:32               ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-07  6:38                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07  7:28                   ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-07  7:59                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07  8:15                       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-07 17:10                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-06 19:28           ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-09  7:55           ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-06 20:43       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-06 21:57       ` LA Walsh
2001-06-07  6:35         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07 15:25           ` LA Walsh
2001-06-07 16:42             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-06-07 20:47               ` LA Walsh
2001-06-08 19:38                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-09  7:34     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-06 21:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-06 21:57   ` Derek Glidden
2001-06-09  8:09     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-07 10:46 Bernd Jendrissek
     [not found] ` <20010607153835.T14203@jessica>
2001-06-08  7:37   ` Bernd Jendrissek
2001-06-08 19:32 ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-11 12:06   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-06-11 19:04     ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-12  7:46       ` Bernd Jendrissek
2001-06-07 14:22 Bulent Abali
2001-06-07 15:38 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-06-10 22:04 Rob Landley

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