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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries?
Date: 14 Oct 2001 00:49:34 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1lmiera0x.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110131516350.8983-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110131516350.8983-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com> writes:

> On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> >
> > There are applications (GCC comes to mind) which are using mmap() to
> > read files now because it is measurably faster than read(), for
> > sufficiently large source files.
> >
> > I don't know where the optimal costs lie.
> 
> The gcc people tested it, and their cut-off point is at 30kB or so.
> Anything smaller than that is faster to just "read()".
> 
> Now, that's a traditional mmap(), though, which has more overhead than a
> "read-with-PAGE_COPY" would have. The pure mmap() approach has the actual
> page fault overhead too, along with having to do "fstat()" and "munmap()".

Hmm.  read-with-PAGE_COPY may not be any faster than read as you still
read all of the data into memory, so you have almost the same latency.
mmap might work better because of better overlapping of I/O and cpu
processing.

Also read-with-PAGE_COPY has some really interesting implications for the
page out routines.  Because anytime you start the page out you have to
copy the page.  Not exactly when you want to increase the memory presure.
And not at all suitable for shared libraries.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-14  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 12:49 Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Jesse Pollard
2001-10-03 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-03 23:20   ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04  3:38     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  4:19       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  6:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  8:21           ` CaT
2001-10-04  8:35             ` john slee
2001-10-04  8:45               ` CaT
2001-10-04 13:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 14:24               ` Kernel size Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-13 20:35                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-04  8:30           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Ville Herva
2001-10-04  9:46             ` Erik Andersen
2001-10-04 19:50               ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04  8:53           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 13:23             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  9:12           ` Bloatware (was Re: Security question: "Text file busy"...) VDA
2001-10-04  5:38     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04  5:44       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  5:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 15:01           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 15:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 16:02               ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:20                 ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 17:19                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:11               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 19:28                 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04 17:25               ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 14:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 17:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 18:18                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-13 18:40                     ` Pablo Alcaraz
2001-10-13 19:05                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 18:54                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 19:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 19:46                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 21:43                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-13 22:27                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 22:50                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-15 11:24                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14  6:49                             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2001-10-14  8:17                               ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-14 15:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 18:49                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:43                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:41                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-15 11:35                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-15 11:51                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:29                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 12:57                     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-14 21:43                     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Mark H. Wood
2001-10-04  5:53         ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 20:39         ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but Alan Cox
2001-10-05 16:30           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-05 16:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 17:35               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-05 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 18:51                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-10-06 19:05                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:02               ` [RFC] "Text file busy" when overwriting libraries Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 12:08                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-14 20:48                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15  1:44                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15  2:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-15 10:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:54                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 11:57                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:08                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 12:11                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  6:50       ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? George Greer
2001-10-04 12:54       ` John Levon
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-03  2:55 Rob Landley
2001-10-03  7:07 ` Alexander Viro

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