From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
Mike Hearn <mh@codeweavers.com>, Thomas Sailer <sailer@scs.ch>,
Eric Pouech <pouech-eric@wanadoo.fr>,
Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>,
Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, wine-devel <wine-devel@winehq.com>
Subject: Re: ptrace single-stepping change breaks Wine
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:15:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1mzvvjs3k.fsf@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0412301436330.22893@ppc970.osdl.org> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:46:17 -0800 (PST)")
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> writes:
> It's a bit more involved than I'd like, since especially the "popf" case
> just is pretty complex, but I'd love to hear whether it works.
>
> NOTE NOTE NOTE! I've tested it, but only on one small test-case, so it
> might be totally broken in many ways. I'd love to have people who are x86
> and ptrace-aware give this a second look, and I'm confident Jesse will
> find that it won't work, but can hopefully try to debug it a bit with
> this..
Just looking at all this complexiy and thinking about
making it work on x86-64 too doesn't exactly give a good
feeling in my spine.
Not to belittle your archivement Linus but it all looks
very overengineered to me.
I think such complex instruction emulation games will be
hard to maintain and there are very surely bugs in so
much subtle code.
Can someone repeat again what was wrong with the old ptrace
semantics before the initial change that caused all these complex
changes? It seemed to work well for years. How about we just
go back to the old state, revert all the recent ptrace changes
and skip all that?
e.g. reporting TF after popf in ptrace doesnt really seem like a big
issue to me that is worth fixing with that much code. It is more an
unimportant corner case, isnt it? Same thing with forcing TF after
popf. I bet most debuggers in existence get this special case wrong
and so far the world hasn't collapsed because of that.
I would love to skip this all on x86-64, but I would prefer
to not make the behaviour incompatible to i386.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-12-30 23:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411151439270.2222@ppc970.osdl.org>
2004-11-15 22:53 ` ptrace single-stepping change breaks Wine Roland McGrath
2004-11-19 19:00 ` Eric Pouech
2004-11-19 19:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-19 19:33 ` Eric Pouech
2004-11-19 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-19 20:41 ` Eric Pouech
2004-11-19 21:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-19 21:23 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-11-19 21:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 21:49 ` Jesse Allen
2004-11-21 4:55 ` Jesse Allen
2004-11-21 21:32 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-11-21 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-21 23:14 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-11-22 1:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 0:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-22 1:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 4:06 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-11-22 4:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 6:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 11:06 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-22 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 13:46 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-11-22 23:15 ` Jesse Allen
2004-11-22 23:48 ` Jesse Allen
2004-11-28 17:01 ` Eric Pouech
2004-11-22 20:52 ` Eric Pouech
2004-11-22 21:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 22:19 ` Mike Hearn
2004-11-22 22:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-29 2:14 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-29 15:02 ` Mike Hearn
2004-12-29 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-29 19:40 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-29 20:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-29 21:43 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-30 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 1:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-30 1:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 4:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 4:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 5:07 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-30 7:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 17:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-30 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 19:27 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-30 19:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 22:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 23:00 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-12-30 23:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 5:36 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-12-31 5:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 7:00 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-31 15:10 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-12-31 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-01 23:20 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-01-29 9:25 ` Kari Hurtta
2004-12-30 23:15 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2004-12-31 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 12:35 ` Andi Kleen
2004-12-31 15:16 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-31 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 19:55 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-31 17:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 4:55 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-31 5:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 5:38 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-12-30 19:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-30 5:06 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-30 4:28 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-29 20:56 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-29 19:35 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-29 20:13 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-30 1:49 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-30 2:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 2:39 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-30 2:57 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-30 3:15 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-30 4:15 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-30 10:09 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-30 13:06 ` Mike Hearn
2004-12-31 13:13 ` Thomas Sailer
2004-12-31 13:31 ` Mike Hearn
2004-12-31 15:42 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-31 15:56 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-12-31 15:59 ` Jesse Allen
2004-12-31 22:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-01 22:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2005-01-01 22:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-02 3:46 ` Davide Libenzi
2005-01-07 4:51 ` minor nit with decoding popf instruction - was " John Kacur
2005-01-07 6:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-08 5:05 ` John Kacur
2004-12-31 15:51 ` Thomas Sailer
[not found] ` <1104873315.3557.87.camel@littlegreen>
2005-01-04 21:21 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 10:43 ` Thomas Sailer
2005-01-05 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-05 11:40 ` Alexandre Julliard
2004-12-30 12:11 ` Mike Hearn
2004-11-20 3:40 ` Roland McGrath
2004-11-19 20:59 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
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