From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
frankeh@watson.ibm.com, davidm@hpl.hp.com,
David Mosberger <davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
gh@us.ibm.com, Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com, wli@holomorpy.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd)
Date: 10 Aug 2002 12:20:06 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ofcar2y1.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D543645.8EBD2C36@zip.com.au>
Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au> writes:
>
> The other worry is the ZONE_NORMAL space consumption of pte_chains.
> We've halved that, but it will still make high sharing levels
> unfeasible on the big ia32 machines. We are dependant upon large
> pages to solve that problem. (Resurrection of pte_highmem is in
> progress, but it doesn't work yet).
There is a second method to address this. Pages can be swapped out
of the page tables and still remain in the page cache, the virtual
scan does this all of the time. This should allow for arbitrary
amounts of sharing. There is some overhead, in faulting the pages
back in but it is much better than cases that do not work. A simple
implementation would have a maximum pte_chain length.
For any page that is not backed by anonymous memory we do not need to
keep the pte entries after the page has been swapped of the page
table. Which should show a reduction in page table size. In a highly
shared setting with anonymous pages it is likely worth it to promote
those pages to being posix shared memory.
All of the above should allow us to keep a limit on the amount of
resources that go towards sharing, reducing the need for something
like pte_highmem, and keeping memory pressure down in general.
For the cases you describe I have trouble seeing pte_highmem as
anything other than a performance optimization. Only placing shmem
direct and indirect entries in high memory or in swap can I see as
limit to feasibility.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-08-10 18:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2002-08-02 19:34 ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 3:19 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 3:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 4:17 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 4:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 4:39 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 5:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 19:30 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-03 21:18 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:54 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 0:35 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 2:25 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-04 17:19 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 15:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 16:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:31 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 18:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 17:40 ` yodaiken
2002-08-09 19:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-09 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 21:19 ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-09 17:46 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2002-08-12 9:23 ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-13 3:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13 3:31 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 7:28 ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-09 21:38 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10 18:20 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2002-08-10 18:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 19:55 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-10 19:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-09 18:32 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-09 19:17 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-11 20:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 22:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-11 22:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 22:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 23:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-12 0:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 23:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-11 23:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 8:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 8:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-13 11:36 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 12:53 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:14 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2002-08-13 17:29 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:18 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 13:50 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 17:45 ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-13 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-13 17:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-13 13:35 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 19:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-22 12:03 ` bill davidsen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208130942130.7411-100000@home.transmeta.com >
2002-08-13 18:46 ` large page patch (fwd) Mike Galbraith
2002-08-11 23:44 ` large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 8:51 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-13 16:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-13 13:09 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-11 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 1:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12 5:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-12 10:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-04 0:28 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:31 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04 19:23 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-04 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-05 5:42 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 19:30 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 20:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-05 16:59 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-05 17:21 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-05 21:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-04 19:41 ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-05 5:40 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 18:41 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-04 0:32 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-03 19:41 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 20:53 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-03 21:26 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-03 21:50 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-04 0:34 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 0:31 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-04 17:25 ` Hubertus Franke
[not found] <200208041331.24895.frankeh@watson.ibm.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208041131380.10314-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <3D4D7F24.10AC4BDB@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-04 20:20 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-04 23:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-08-05 23:30 Seth, Rohit
2002-08-06 5:01 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06 5:19 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 5:08 ` David S. Miller
2002-08-06 5:32 ` David Mosberger
2002-08-06 19:11 ` Hubertus Franke
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-06 20:38 Luck, Tony
2002-08-06 21:03 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 17:51 Seth, Rohit
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