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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/15] x86_64: Optimize percpu accesses
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:26:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1prpl4pmh.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <487637A1.4080403@linux-foundation.org> (Christoph Lameter's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:24:01 -0500")

Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
>> but there is a distinct lack of wiggle room, which can be resolved
>> either by using negative offsets, or by moving the kernel text area up a
>> bit from -2 GB.
>
> Lets say we reserve 256MB of cpu alloc space per processor.

First off right now reserving more than about 64KB is ridiculous.  We rightly
don't have that many per cpu variables.

> On a system with 4k processors this will result in the need for 1TB virtual
> address space for per cpu areas (note that there may be more processors in the
> future). Preferably we would calculate the address of the per cpu area by
>
> 	PERCPU_START_ADDRESS + PERCPU_SIZE * smp_processor_id()
>
> instead of looking it up in a table because that will save a memory access on
> per_cpu().

???? Optimizing per_cpu seems to be the wrong path.  If you want to go fast you
access the data on the cpu you start out on.

> The first percpu area would ideally be the per cpu segment generated by the
> linker.
>
> How would that fit into the address map? In particular the 2G distance between
> code and the first per cpu area must not be violated unless we go to a zero
> based approach.
>
> Maybe there is another way of arranging things that would allow for this?

Yes.  Start with a patch that doesn't have freaky failures that can't be understood
or bisected because the patch is too big.  The only reason we are having a conversation
about alternative implementations is because the current implementation has weird
random incomprehensible failures.  The most likely culprit is playing with
the linker.  It could be something else.

So please REFACTOR the patch that changes things to DO ONE THING PER PATCH.

Eric


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-10 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 190+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-09 16:51 [RFC 00/15] x86_64: Optimize percpu accesses Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 01/15] x86_64: Cleanup early setup_percpu references Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 02/15] x86_64: Fold pda into per cpu area Mike Travis
2008-07-09 22:02   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-13 17:54     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-14 14:24       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 03/15] x86_64: Reference zero-based percpu variables offset from gs Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 04/15] x86_64: Replace cpu_pda ops with percpu ops Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 05/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations with x86_xxx_percpu() Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 06/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_current_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 07/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_hardirq_64_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 08/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_mmu_context_64_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 09/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_percpu_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 10/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_smp_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 11/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_stackprotector_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 12/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_thread_info_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 13/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_topology_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 14/15] x86_64: Remove xxx_pda() operations Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 15/15] x86_64: Remove cpu_pda() macro Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:19 ` [RFC 00/15] x86_64: Optimize percpu accesses H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 17:40   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:42     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 18:05       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:44   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:09     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:30       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 19:34       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 19:44         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:26           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-09 21:03         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 21:23         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-25 15:49     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-25 16:08       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-25 16:46         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-25 16:58           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-25 18:12             ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 17:39   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 17:51     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:14       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:22         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:31           ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 19:08             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:02     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 18:26         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:34           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 18:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 18:48             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:53               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 19:07                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 19:32                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 19:45                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 19:52                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 20:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:09                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:05                         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 19:44                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 19:48                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:27         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:46           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:22             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 20:35               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:53                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 21:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 21:16                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:10               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 23:20                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 18:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 18:00   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 19:05     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:55   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 21:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 20:05   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:11     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:18       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 20:33         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:42           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:48             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 21:16                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:20                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:25           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 21:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:41             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 22:22             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 22:32               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 23:36                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10  0:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10  0:24                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 14:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 14:26                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 15:26                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 15:42                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:24                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 16:33                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:45                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:33                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:42                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:53                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:55                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 20:52                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 20:58                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 21:03                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11  0:55                                                 ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 21:05                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 21:22                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 21:29                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11  0:12                                                   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-11  0:14                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11  0:58                                                       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-11  1:41                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11 15:37                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-11  0:42                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-11 15:36                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:53                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 17:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2008-07-10 17:38                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 19:11                                     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 19:12                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 17:46                                   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 17:51                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 19:09                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 19:18                                       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 19:32                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 23:37                                           ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 20:17                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 20:24                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-10 21:33                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-11  1:39                                           ` Mike Travis
2008-07-11  2:57                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10  0:23                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:35         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:39       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 20:44         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:50           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:12             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:26               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:37                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 22:10               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 22:23                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 23:54                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 16:22                     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 16:25                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:35                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 16:39                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:47                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:21                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:31                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:48                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 18:00                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 17:20                         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 17:07                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:12                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:25                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:34                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:41                         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 18:01                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 20:51                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 20:58                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 21:07                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 21:11                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11 15:32                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-11 16:07                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11 16:57                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-11 17:10                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 21:26                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 18:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 18:54                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 19:18                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 19:56                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 20:22                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 20:54                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-11  6:59                                 ` Rusty Russell
2008-07-10 20:25                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 17:57                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 18:08                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:46         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:14   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 21:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 21:39   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 21:47     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:55     ` Eric W. Biederman

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