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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Mark timer_stats as incompatible with multiple pid namespaces
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:55:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r6hqstat.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071213090102.GB1926@elte.hu> (Ingo Molnar's message of "Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:01:02 +0100")

Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> writes:

> * Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> /proc/timer_stats currently reports the user of a timer by pid, which 
>> is a reasonable approach.  However if you are not in the initial pid 
>> namespace the pid that is reported is nonsense.
>> 
>> Therefore until we can make timer_stats pid namespace safe just 
>> disable it in the build if pid namespace support is selected so we at 
>> least know we have a conflict.
>
> What the heck??? Please solve this properly instead of hiding it. 
> /proc/timer_stats is damn useful and it's a must-have for powertop to 
> work.

Hmm.  Perhaps the dependency conflict should go in the other direction
then.

My goal is to document the issue while a proper fix is being written.
I have known about this for all of about 1 day now.  It was added since
last time I went through the kernel and made a thorough sweep of pid users.

What the proper fix is isn't even obvious at this point.
Possibly it is making /proc/timer_stats disappear in child pid namespaces.
  Which we don't currently have the infrastructure fore.
Possibly it is reworking the stats collection so we store a struct pid *
instead of a pid_t value.  So we would know if the reader of the value
can even see processes you have collected stats for.

It is going to take a bit to digest what is going on and solve this properly.

In the same vein do we actively have interesting user space programs
using /proc/sched_debug?  It is the same class of problem.  Yet
another interface talking to user space with pids.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-13 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-12 23:10 [PATCH] Mark timer_stats as incompatible with multiple pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-13  9:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-13 11:55   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2007-12-13 13:04     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-13 17:14       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-13 20:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-13 21:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-13 21:37             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-13 21:48               ` Eric W. Biederman

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