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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com>
Cc: dcinege@psychosis.com, otto.wyss@bluewin.ch,
	"'linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file
Date: 23 Dec 2001 02:15:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r8pmqotz.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59885C5E3098D511AD690002A5072D3C42D81C@orsmsx111.jf.intel.com>
In-Reply-To: <59885C5E3098D511AD690002A5072D3C42D81C@orsmsx111.jf.intel.com>

"Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com> writes:

> > From: ebiederm@xmission.com [mailto:ebiederm@xmission.com]
> > > Basically what Grub does is loads the kernel modules from disk
> > > into memory, and 'tells' the kernel the memory location to load
> > > them from, very similar to how an initrd file is loaded. The problem
> > > is Linux, is not MBS compilant and doesn't know to look for and load
> > > the modules. 
> > 
> > So tell me how you make an MBS compliant alpha kernel again?
> 
> 1) Someone writes a MBS spec chapter for Alpha

Nope it isn't that simple.  Multiboot doesn't extend gracefully at all,
not to multiple architectures, not to new parameters, not to multiple
vendors.   If you do extend it you get a real mess.

Which is why it is not good to adopt.  

> 2) Someone implements it.
> 
> Any volunteers? (Eric? ;-))

I've looked and I'm not going there.  Multiboot is just plain nasty,
and quite poorly specified as well.

I'll do something better but not that.  In fact I have already started...

> It's all about scratching an itch, right? Things don't become cross-platform
> by themselves. Linux started out 386-only, after all.

GRUB allows some very neat things and it allows for it with the
multiboot stuff.  And everyone seems to assume that because what you
can do with GRUB is good, multiboot must be good as well.  But have
you ever wondered why no other bootloader implementor was interested?

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-23  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-23  7:20 Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file Grover, Andrew
2001-12-23  9:15 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2001-12-23  9:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 21:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112190313080.9963-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-19  8:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 14:55   ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 15:49     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 17:03       ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 19:01         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-20  3:30         ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-18 20:35 Torrey Hoffman
2001-12-18 19:50 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 20:30 ` M. R. Brown
2001-12-18 20:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-19  9:34 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-23  1:02   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  9:10     ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 14:13 ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-18 17:47 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:53 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 19:43 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-18 17:43 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 18:49 ` Greg KH
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112180350550.6100-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-18 11:16 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-18 19:10   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-19  9:27     ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 10:11       ` Erik Andersen
2001-12-23  0:39     ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  0:42       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  1:15         ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  1:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  2:08             ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-17 22:10 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18  2:31 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18  5:46   ` Craig Christophel
2001-12-23  0:28   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  0:44   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  1:39   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  2:10     ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  3:00       ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  3:52         ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  4:41         ` Ryan Cumming
2001-12-23  5:52           ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  7:16             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-23  8:06               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 12:22                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-23 20:58                   ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-17 19:53 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-17 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-16 20:37 Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 20:50 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-17 18:49   ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-17 19:07     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-20 18:47       ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-16 22:02   ` antirez
2001-12-16 22:18     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  0:08 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  6:26   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23 13:48   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-23 17:57     ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 23:05     ` Marcus Meissner
2001-12-24  2:38       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 10:58       ` Wilfried Weissmann

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