From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762427AbXFATC2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:02:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760713AbXFATCW (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:02:22 -0400 Received: from ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com ([166.70.28.69]:35547 "EHLO ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755514AbXFATCV (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:02:21 -0400 From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) To: Pavel Machek Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge , Matthew Garrett , Linus Torvalds , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Pekka J Enberg , Nigel Cunningham , LKML Subject: Re: Back to the future. References: <1177567481.5025.211.camel@nigel.suspend2.net> <1177654110.4737.91.camel@nigel.suspend2.net> <200704272324.43359.rjw@sisk.pl> <463292C8.9000307@goop.org> <20070428010043.GA21136@srcf.ucam.org> <46329DE3.6020307@goop.org> <20070503151408.GC3866@ucw.cz> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:00:19 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20070503151408.GC3866@ucw.cz> (Pavel Machek's message of "Thu, 3 May 2007 15:14:09 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Pavel Machek writes: > Hi! > >> > While that would certainly be nifty, I think we're arguably starting >> > from the wrong point here. Why are we booting a kernel, trying to poke >> > the hardware back into some sort of mock-quiescent state, freeing memory >> > and then (finally) overwriting the entire contents of RAM rather than >> > just doing all of this from the bootloader? > > Doing it from the bootloader sounds attractive... but it is lot of > work. I'm essentially using linux as a bootloader. > > Patch for grub welcome. Well. We actually have first class support for using linux as a bootloader. So you could use linux and do whatever dance you are doing from a bootloader if you felt the desire. That might make the dance a little easier. Eric