From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
Matt Thrailkill <matt.thrailkill@gmail.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Matteo Croce <technoboy85@gmail.com>,
Sven-Haegar Koch <haegar@sdinet.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: i686 quirk for AMD Geode
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:03:10 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ws1hdn5t.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B0AE3E4.9020909@zytor.com> (H. Peter Anvin's message of "Mon\, 23 Nov 2009 11\:35\:00 -0800")
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> writes:
> On 11/23/2009 11:27 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> When working on dosemu and emulating EGA 16 color graphics we had to
>> unmap the frame buffer so we would cause move instructions to fault.
>> Trapping for each mov instruction in the loops that wrote to the frame
>> buffer was unusably slow. Ultimately that was fixed by trapping on
>> the first instruction and then running in the emulator until we had
>> gone N instructions without hitting an instruction we would trap for.
>> The result was usable software emulated EGA graphics.
>>
>> I expect the same logic will apply any time there is a trapped and
>> emulated instruction in an inner loop. Emulating the entire loop
>> will be more efficient than trapping for each loop iteration.
>>
>
> Yes, this is pretty typical. In terms of EGA/VGA it depends heavily on
> how the application is coded, since it is possible to put EGA/VGA into
> modes where the frame buffer depends mostly like memory except at
> specific I/O points, and other modes where the frame buffer behaves
> nothing like memory at all and every reference needs to be handled
> specially. In real use, the former tends to dominate simply because
> it's the sane way to code, but the only way to make the latter perform
> sanely at all is to interpret everything.
For old applications that we were concerned about in dosemu the masked
modes where you write to multiple frame buffer pages at once with a
single write dominated because on real hardware it is faster.
As I recall if the things were setup so we did not need to trap dosemu
mapped the appropriate frame buffer page directly, so we did not need
to handle that case.
Regardless the point is that if we start emulating rare instructions
with traps I expect we will reach the point where we have inner loops
that we want to emulate entirely instead of taking a multitude of traps.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-23 20:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-03 2:12 i686 quirk for AMD Geode Matteo Croce
2009-10-03 2:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-03 3:08 ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-03 2:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-03 7:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-03 9:53 ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-03 14:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-03 14:56 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-06 14:59 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-06 16:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-06 22:18 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-07 0:49 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-08 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 17:40 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 18:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 18:13 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 19:29 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2009-11-08 19:36 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 19:47 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 19:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 20:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-10 5:27 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 6:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 10:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-10 17:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 17:24 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-10 18:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 19:50 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 20:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 20:16 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 20:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 20:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 20:54 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-10 21:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 21:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 22:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-10 22:42 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-11 5:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 6:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-11 6:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 7:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-11 9:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-12 2:23 ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-12 5:27 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-12 5:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-12 5:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-23 19:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-23 19:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-23 20:03 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-11-11 10:03 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-11 8:17 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-10 22:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 10:21 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-11 10:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 16:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:27 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-10 22:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-10 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:54 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-11 8:03 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-11 9:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 21:21 ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-10 21:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:01 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-10 22:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 10:54 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-12 0:51 ` Daniel Pittman
2009-11-12 1:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 16:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-08 19:46 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 19:50 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 20:41 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-08 18:42 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-09 20:16 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-09 21:03 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-09 21:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-09 21:23 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-12 12:18 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-13 2:03 ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-13 10:50 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-13 16:23 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-13 19:24 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 21:21 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-16 17:50 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 11:59 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-17 14:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 16:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-17 17:10 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 16:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-17 17:25 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 17:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-17 18:33 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-18 20:21 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-18 20:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-18 21:11 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-19 0:41 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 5:55 ` Yuhong Bao
2009-11-13 16:24 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 13:33 ` Pádraig Brady
2009-11-13 16:25 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-08 17:35 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-03 18:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-03 22:04 ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-03 22:32 ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-03 22:54 ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-04 7:29 ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-04 2:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-04 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-09 21:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-06 15:49 Martin Schleier
2009-11-06 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-06 16:42 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-06 16:57 ` Martin Schleier
2009-11-06 18:22 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-06 20:06 ` Martin Schleier
[not found] ` <20091106210259.290b281a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
2009-11-06 22:33 ` Martin Schleier
2009-11-06 23:05 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-07 0:05 ` Martin Schleier
2009-11-07 10:37 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-07 11:11 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 2:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-08 16:05 ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-08 18:04 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 18:46 ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-08 18:22 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 18:47 ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-10 5:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-08 22:10 H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-09 0:22 ` Alan Cox
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