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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>, Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Miles Lane <miles.lane@gmail.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Patch 0/2] sysfs: fix s_active lockdep warning
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:30:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1y6jgpsax.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1264795834.24455.43.camel@laptop> (Peter Zijlstra's message of "Fri\, 29 Jan 2010 21\:10\:34 +0100")

Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:

> On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 10:21 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 07:14:20PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 10:10 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
>> > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 06:57:28PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > > > On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 06:22 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Heh, this whole mess is the very reason we didn't add lockdep support to
>> > > > > the driver core.  Nested devices that all look alike from the driver
>> > > > > core, are really different objects and the locking lifetimes are
>> > > > > separate, but lockdep can't see that. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > And here I through Alan Stern had a handle on making the driver core
>> > > > play nice.
>> > > 
>> > > It's not the driver core that is the issue here, it's that lockdep can't
>> > > handle the tree structure of devices that is represented in the kernel.
>> > > 
>> > > I don't think it is a driver core problem, but rather, a lockdep issue.
>> > 
>> > Right, we've been over that and I think I added enough lockdep
>> > annotations to make it work for the device tree. At least, Alan and I
>> > seemed to agree on that last time we talked about it.
>> 
>> Ah, I didn't realize that, very nice.
>> 
>> If so, then this sysfs lock stuff should be able to use those
>> annotations and we shouldn't have this issue, right?
>
> I really wouldn't know, I've not yet looked at sysfs to see what the
> particular issue is. But possibly, if you say the problem space is
> similar.

We get false positives when the code of a sysfs attribute
synchronously removes other sysfs attributes.  In general that is not
safe due to hotplug etc, but there are specific instances of static
sysfs entries like the pm_core where it appears to be safe.

I am not familiar with the device core lockdep issues.  Are they similar?

Eric



  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-29 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-29  7:01 [Patch 0/2] sysfs: fix s_active lockdep warning Amerigo Wang
2010-01-29  7:02 ` [Patch 1/2] sysfs: add support for lockdep subclasses to s_active Amerigo Wang
2010-01-29  7:02 ` [PATCH 2/2] sysfs: fix the incomplete part of subclass support for s_active Amerigo Wang
2010-01-29  7:21 ` [Patch 0/2] sysfs: fix s_active lockdep warning Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-29  8:38   ` Cong Wang
2010-01-29 13:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-29 14:22       ` Greg KH
2010-01-29 17:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-29 18:10           ` Greg KH
2010-01-29 18:14             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-29 18:21               ` Greg KH
2010-01-29 20:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-29 20:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2010-02-04 11:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-04 16:35                       ` Alan Stern
2010-02-04 16:41                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-04 18:37                           ` Alan Stern
2010-02-05 10:18                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 15:30                               ` Alan Stern
2010-02-05 15:41                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-07  9:22                                   ` Dave Young
2010-02-08  3:08                                     ` Cong Wang
2010-02-08  3:14                                       ` Dave Young
2010-02-08  3:30                                         ` Cong Wang
2010-02-08  3:06                                 ` Cong Wang
2010-02-08 15:38                               ` Alan Stern
2010-02-04 16:46                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-04 18:40                           ` Alan Stern
2010-02-05  3:09                             ` Cong Wang
2010-02-05  4:06                               ` Alan Stern
2010-02-04 16:46                         ` Greg KH
2010-02-04 16:59                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-02-26 19:36                             ` Alan Stern
2010-02-26 20:54                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-02-05  3:43                       ` Cong Wang
2010-02-05  8:55                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-29 20:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-30  5:30           ` Greg KH
2010-01-29 18:02   ` Peter Zijlstra

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