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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Recent changes to sysctl.h breaks glibc
Date: 19 May 2003 18:40:18 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1y9121mdp.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200305200024.h4K0OnPc025466@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu writes:

> On Mon, 19 May 2003 17:55:06 MDT, Eric W. Biederman said:
> > If things must be maintained in concert it is a bug.  
> > 
> > With a fixed ABI people take advantage of new features as they
> > care for them.  And in general to use new features requires new code.
> 
> And if the kernel headers aren't maintained in concert with the kernel,
> new userspace code can't reach the new features.
> 
> Therefor, by your definition, the current situation is a bug.

Yes, glibc uses kernel headers.

> Try compiling code that uses futexes on a system that has a kernel that
> supports them, but kernel-headers that haven't been upgraded to mention them.
> The kernel has the new code, the userspace has the new code, but gcc will
> turn around and whinge about the new code because there's a piece missing in
> between.  So people *CANT* take advantage of the new features (unless they
> do something silly like drag their own foo.h file around where it can get
> out of sync with reality).

Or the build against a library that does that.  There are not that
many libraries.

For a lot of system calls it is actively dangerous to assume dev_t ==
__kernel_dev_t.  As glibc does some cute things in there.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-20  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-18 20:21 Recent changes to sysctl.h breaks glibc Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-18 20:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-18 21:12   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19  5:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 10:43       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 10:51         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 11:14           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 11:21             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 11:33             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 11:43             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 12:52               ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 21:14           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:44             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 22:46               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:56                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-19 23:04                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  6:06                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 11:45         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 12:56           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 13:06             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 16:56               ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-05-19 17:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-19 21:16                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:18                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 22:31                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 22:20                         ` Alan Cox
2003-05-19 23:28                           ` Andries Brouwer
2003-05-20 10:35                             ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2003-05-19 23:30                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 23:05                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 23:17                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 23:55                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  0:24                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-20  0:40                                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2003-05-20  1:11                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-20 22:10                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  0:30                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  0:54                             ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-20  1:09                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  1:42                                 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-20  4:12                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20  4:24                                     ` Miles Bader
2003-05-20  6:37                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  7:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-20 19:04                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-20  7:44                               ` Riley Williams
2003-05-20 14:01                                 ` Chris Friesen
2003-05-20 17:06                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-21  4:39                                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-21  5:38                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-21  5:58                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-19 18:05               ` David Ford
2003-05-19 17:44                 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-20  2:21                   ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:24                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-19 17:59           ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:06             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 18:23               ` David Ford
2003-05-19 18:34                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 19:43                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-05-19 21:21                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-19 21:35               ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-05-19 21:37                 ` Arjan van de Ven
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-19 19:54 Mudama, Eric
2003-05-19 20:36 ` Martin Schlemmer

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