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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>,
	"Erik A. Hendriks" <hendriks@lanl.gov>
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86 ELF bootable kernels/Linux booting Linux/LinuxBIOS
Date: 30 Jan 2002 19:42:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1zo2vb5rt.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1elk7d37d.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> <3C586355.A396525B@zip.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <3C586355.A396525B@zip.com.au>

Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au> writes:

> On uniprocessor, you can type `sudo monte /boot/bzImage'
> and get to `decompressing linux' in two seconds flat. (Having
> journalling filesystems rather helps with this trick). It's
> lovely.

Hmm.  That sounds a little slow to me.  That is about what I get
with LinuxBIOS from when I flip the power switch, and network boot..
But that is enough enjoyment of speed.

> > The biggest issue I have had is
> > with the kernel not properly shutting down devices.
> 
> Monte just disables all busmastering on the PCI devices...

That might be a useful addition, as it will probably work for most
devices.  However it doesn't handle non-PCI devices.  And it doesn't
handle strange devices that need a different shutdown.  

With module_exit() I am quiet certain the linux driver can find the
device and set it up again, because otherwise you couldn't insert,
remove, and reinsert the code as a module.

> module_exit() routines for statically-linked drivers often
> don't exist - they're in .text.exit.  I guess you can just
> move .text.exit out of the /DISCARD/ section in vmlinux.lds.
> Also, take a look at user-mode-linux's do_exitcalls()
> implementation - there's no clear reason why that shouldn't
> be mainstreamed.

I like the other suggestion of extending the Hot-plug infrastructure.
In that case I just need to figure out how to logically Hot-unplug all
the devices in the system.  That may be better than a
do_exitcalls()...  As it automatically gets the discrimination right. 

> It would be convenient to be able to directly boot a bzImage,
> but I guess elf is workable.

Well that is directly booting vmlinux, and it doesn't lock you into
booting the linux kernel which is very important to me. 

> Great work, and thanks!  I look forward to 2-second SMP
> reboots.

I'll love to hear how it goes.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-31  2:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-30 19:54 [RFC] x86 ELF bootable kernels/Linux booting Linux/LinuxBIOS Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-30 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 23:52   ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31  2:42   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2002-01-31  2:48     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31  4:27       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31  4:41         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31  5:15           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31  5:59             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]               ` <m1n0yvaucy.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>
2002-01-31 17:57                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31 22:34                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 22:52                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-01  7:52                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-31 17:35           ` Erik A. Hendriks
2002-01-31 23:36             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01  0:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-01  9:03                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01  9:25                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-01 15:42                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01 18:26                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-02 16:17                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-02 21:06                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-02 23:02                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-03  1:56                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 18:43                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-03 19:39                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 22:18                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-02-03 22:24                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 22:59                                         ` Rob Landley
2002-02-03 23:01                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 23:47                                             ` Rob Landley
2002-02-04  1:34                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04  9:53                                             ` Marco Colombo
2002-02-04 16:19                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 19:55                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 20:51                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 20:40                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-03 19:48                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 20:16                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04  4:29                                   ` Keith Owens
2002-02-04 20:01                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 12:49                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-02-04 16:26                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 19:45                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-04 21:02                             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-02-04 21:08                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-05  7:45                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-01  0:46               ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31  3:03     ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01  7:22       ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 21:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-31  2:31   ` Eric W. Biederman

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