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From: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: "Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Ryan C. Gordon" <icculus@icculus.org>,
	"Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FatELF patches...
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:56:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3eioghf9n.fsf@intrepid.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0911020936500.12321@asgard.lang.hm> (david@lang.hm's message of "Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:39:55 -0800 (PST)")

david@lang.hm writes:

> fo any individual user it will alsays be a larger download, but if you
> have to support more than one architecture (even 32 bit vs 64 bit x86)
> it may be smaller to have one fat package than to have two 'normal'
> packages.

In terms on disk space on distro TFTP servers only. You'll need to
transfer more, both from user's and distro's POV (obviously). This one
simple fact alone is more than enough to forget the FatELF.

Disk space on FTP servers is cheap (though maybe not so on 32 GB SSDs
and certainly not on 16 MB NOR flash chips). Bandwidth is expensive. And
it doesn't seem to be going to change.

FatELF means you have to compile for many archs. Do you even have the
necessary compilers? Extra time and disk space used for what, to solve
a non-problem?

> yes, the package manager could handle this by splitting the package up
> into more pieces, with some of the pieces being arch independant, but
> that also adds complexity.

Even without splitting, separate per-arch packages are a clear win.

I'm surprised this idea made it here. It certainly has merit for
installation medium, but it's called directory tree and/or .tar or .zip
there.
-- 
Krzysztof Halasa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-02 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-30  2:19 FatELF patches Ryan C. Gordon
2009-10-30  5:42 ` Rayson Ho
2009-10-30 14:54   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 19:20 ` David Hagood
2009-11-01 20:28   ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 20:59     ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-01 21:15       ` Måns Rullgård
2009-11-01 21:35         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  4:58           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-02 15:14             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-03 14:54               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-03 18:30                 ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-01 22:08         ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  1:17           ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  3:27             ` Rayson Ho
2009-11-02  0:01       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02  2:21         ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  6:17           ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 18:18             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:59               ` Julien BLACHE
2009-11-02 19:08               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-11-02  6:27           ` David Miller
2009-11-02 15:32             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02  9:16           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 17:39             ` david
2009-11-02 17:44               ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 19:56               ` Krzysztof Halasa [this message]
2009-11-02 20:11                 ` david
2009-11-02 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-03  1:35                   ` Mikael Pettersson
2009-11-02 15:40           ` Diego Calleja
2009-11-04 16:40           ` package managers [was: FatELF patches...] Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 17:25               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 17:48                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 18:46                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 19:46                     ` Alan Cox
2009-11-04 20:04                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:27                         ` david
2009-11-04 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:08                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 20:41                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 21:11                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 21:32                             ` kevin granade
2009-11-04 22:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-04 22:19                                 ` Marcin Letyns
2009-11-04 22:28                                   ` david
2009-11-04 22:43                                 ` Martin Nybo Andersen
2009-11-04 23:55                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-05  2:24                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  2:52                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                                         ` <f42384a10911050134t37a0a812hd85ff5541423dc9f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-11-05  9:35                                           ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2009-11-10 11:40                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 23:11                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-05  0:05                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2009-11-10 11:57                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-04 17:36             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-04 20:28             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 17:52         ` FatELF patches Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-02 18:53           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 20:13             ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-04  1:09               ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 11:27           ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:40             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 13:00               ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 13:19                 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 16:11       ` Chris Adams
2009-11-01 20:40   ` Ryan C. Gordon
2009-11-10 10:04   ` Enrico Weigelt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-03  6:43 Eric Windisch
2009-11-03 11:21 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:10   ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-11-10 12:15     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-10 10:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found] <dAPfP-5R6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <dBOhH-uY-9@gated-at.bofh.it>

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