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From: Daniel Phillips <news-innominate.list.linux.kernel@innominate.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: page->mapping == 0
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 02:57:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <news2mail-39FCD586.E5F480A7@innominate.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010291100030.18939-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010291118140.19109-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Now, I don't think this is really a valid usage pattern, so it's most
> likely to be a result of a buggy application, but I can imagine having
> some strange kind of user-space VM memory management scheme that depends
> on SIGBUS to maintain a file length. I've never heard of such a thing, but
> I could imagine somebody doing some kind of persistent data object store
> in user space this way.
> 
> Does anybody actually know of an application that does something like
> this? Because I'm more and more inclined to just going with the half-fix
> for now. It would at least guarantee internal kernel data consistency (and
> no oopses, of course).
> 
> Don't get me wrong - we need to clean this part up, but as far as I can
> tell we have never done this "right", so in that sense it's not a new
> 2.4.x bug and it can't break existing applications.

Strace shows that the history really is updated with no locking:

  4030  open("/home/phillips/.bash_history", O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC) = 4
  4030  write(4, "l\nless README\ne ../*test8/fs/ext"..., 7546) = 7546
  4030  close(4)                          =
0                                                                                                

There's no reason to continue doing the read after you've detected the
page was pulled out from under you - clearly it's a user error state,
the only question is: return the error and break the buggy application? 
Or gloss over it.  And it seems like returning the error might actually
break bash - maybe it deserves it... but...

--
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-10-30  1:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <14841.7644.853174.666385@argo.linuxcare.com.au>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010262325440.864-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2000-10-29  9:38   ` page->mapping == 0 Paul Mackerras
2000-10-29 12:39     ` Daniel Phillips
2000-10-29 18:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-29 18:32       ` Alexander Viro
2000-10-29 19:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-29 19:33           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-10-30  1:57             ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2000-10-29 20:32         ` Alan Cox
2000-10-29 20:42           ` Alexander Viro
2000-10-29 22:26           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-29 23:12           ` Jeff Dike

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