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From: James Antill <james@and.org>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Tom Lord <lord@regexps.com>,
	jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing
Date: 11 Mar 2002 17:51:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nn4rjmoh02.fsf@code.and.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203110051500.9713-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <3C8C4B8A.2070508@namesys.com>
In-Reply-To: <3C8C4B8A.2070508@namesys.com>

Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> writes:

> Alexander Viro wrote:
> 
> >
> >On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Hans Reiser wrote:
> >
> >>So the problem was that it was not optional?
> >>
> >
> >The problem is that it doesn't play well with other things.
> 
> Your statement is information free so far, but could be the intro to
> an informative statement....;-)

 Think about what people want to do with SCM, think about how the
filesystem can help.
 Just having a special flag to open() that enables versioning on close()
is useless to 99% of people IMO.

 For something like that to be worth it it'd need to support rename(),
symlink(), link(), unlink() and _importantly_ chmod()/chown() (you
don't want previous versions of a file becoming readable just because
you chmod() the final version).

 Off the top of my head the places where I might find a use for it...

1. tar -x ... hack ... tell fs to generate diff
   (can be done via. cp -al now, but possibly easier with fs support)

2. Version control my mail box (the good readers have the mark deleted
and then purge, which removes some of the need). Version control
might be clumsy (say you delete 3 mails, and want only one back), and
doesn't work with a mailer that does any caching on the mailbox.

3. Putting an entire website under it.

...and all but 3. are probably better done a different way (a shared
library might be nice ... and would also be fs/kernel independent) and
I'd imagine it's overkill for 3. as the biggest problem is saving over
the wrong filename so undelete is enough.

-- 
# James Antill -- james@and.org
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-11 22:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-06  7:33 linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Jeramy B. Smith
2002-02-06 15:15 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-07 16:50 ` Jan Harkes
2002-02-07 23:06   ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-08  1:02       ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23     ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-02-07 21:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 21:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  2:32       ` Tom Lord
2002-02-08 15:33       ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-08 21:35         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11  8:20       ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-11 15:00         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11 20:25           ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-11 22:14           ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-12  5:17             ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12  3:59               ` Theodore Tso
2002-02-12  6:19                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-02-12 20:28                 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 22:54                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13  0:52                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13  9:41                     ` Tom Lord
2002-02-13 10:35                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-12 11:01           ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-12 11:15             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 18:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-10  8:36       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 19:41         ` Itai Nahshon
2002-03-10 20:19           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:16             ` Rob Turk
2002-03-10 21:34               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 21:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11  8:22                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:28                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 11:04                   ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11  9:46                 ` Harald Arnesen
2002-03-10 21:37             ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11  5:48               ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  5:52                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:15                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  6:37                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:42                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11 13:13                     ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 15:51                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:08                         ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 16:56                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 22:51                     ` James Antill [this message]
2002-03-12  7:58                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-12 22:37                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  8:09                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-13 15:10                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  9:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-13 14:37                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 16:26                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-13 16:30                                 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 19:18                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14  9:39                                     ` filesystem transactions (was Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Tom Lord
2002-03-14  8:26                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14 10:31                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-11 14:05             ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Luigi Genoni
2002-03-11 10:46           ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11 11:32             ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 15:29               ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 16:08                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:25                   ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 17:08                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 17:16                       ` Nikita Danilov
2002-03-11 18:22                     ` VMS File versions (was RE: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Robert Pfister
2002-03-11 18:41                     ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Steven Cole
2002-03-11 19:15                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 21:33                         ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 21:54                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:01                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:19                             ` Steven Cole
2002-03-12  0:14                               ` Robert Pfister
2002-03-12  7:54                           ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing (If you don't like the closed source nature of Bitkeeper, stop your whining and help out with reiserfs.) Hans Reiser
2002-03-12  1:28                       ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-12 18:08 Thunder from the hill
2002-02-06  3:37 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06  6:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-06  7:50   ` Reid Hekman
2002-02-06  8:03     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 19:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-02-06 19:45         ` Tom Rini
2002-02-06 20:44           ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-06 20:35         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:25           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-06 15:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-06 15:32   ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 16:54   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:19   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-06 17:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 17:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 19:58     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 23:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 23:54         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07  8:07         ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-07 16:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-07 17:26             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 19:46               ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-08  0:29                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-08  5:28               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:06                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  6:14                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:49                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-07 10:50         ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 23:06   ` Larry McVoy

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