Horrible ordeals with ACPI, APIC and HIGHMEM (2.6.0-test* and -ac kernels)

Horrible ordeals with ACPI, APIC and HIGHMEM (2.6.0-test* and -ac kernels)

[Martin Aspeli]

Hello all,

First off, sorry for not being subscribed to the list (my mail provider 
would kill me), so please CC answers. I will of course check the archives. 
I've tried to search and ask elsewhere... LKML is my last resort! Any help 
at all would be greatly appreciated!

Hardware: Evesham Voyager Xi (which is really a Mitac M3000N); 1.6GHz 
Centrino with 1GB RAM. ACPI, all the RAM and everything else works fine in 
Windows XP, and it's brand new, so I doubt there are any hardware 
problems. BIOS is by AMI and claims to be v02.33, from March 2003, no 
update available from OEM. Standard intel chipset with onboard sound 
(i8x0) and 855 graphics.I'm trying to do a fresh install of Gentoo.

I've been trying the 2.6.0-test kernels, mostly for the speedstep support 
(which appears to work). However, when I put ACPI in the kernel, all goes 
wrong. Without ACPI, half my hardware is left IRQ-less. These are the 
symptoms:

1. ACPI enabled + Local APIC disabled: System boots fine, but as soon as 
ACPI goes on, the fan starts blowing full speed. When I try to log in 
performance is very sluggish. Top shows a process "events/0" (what is 
this?) that is eating 99.9% of my CPU (is this why the fan comes on?). 
Constant disk access (probably swap, but it did continue after I did 
"swapoff -a").

2. ACPI + APIC + APIC-IO enabled, HIGHMEM disabled: System freezes on boot 
immediately after loading ACPI subsystem.

3. Same as 2 + HIGHMEM (4GB) enabled: System reboots immediately after 
loading ACPI subsystem.

4. Same as 1 (no HIGHMEM) but with "acpi=off" on command line: System 
boots and runs fine. Obviously no battery monitor, but I can live without. 
However, a lot of my hardware (particularly the sound card, but I think 
maybe also the graphics) try to get assigned to IRQ 0 and fail, so they do 
not get configured. BIOS appears to regulate fan.

Also, in any configuration, if HIGHMEM is enabled and I pass acpi=off to 
get the system to boot, performance is absolutely appalling - it takes 
about 10 minutes to get to the login prompt! I can't see anything 
obviously wrong (speedfreq and uname -a detect all 1600MHz, top shows no 
obviously astray processes, although top itself is taking about 10-15% CPU 
just by being there).

Apart from complaints about IRQ 0 for various devices, I see nothing 
obviously wrong in dmesg or anywhere else.

Please don't condemn me to a life of Windows XP! I'm willing to live 
without ACPI if I could get my soundcard and other hardware (I can't see 
what it is, all I get are the id numbers) to work; I could also live with 
the ~800Mb or RAM left if HIGHMEM is off, but it's just annoying not to 
use those last ~200Mb.

Main question, I guess - what is events/0 and why is it bent on screwing 
up my life?

Best wishes,
Martin

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Re: Horrible ordeals with ACPI, APIC and HIGHMEM (2.6.0-test* and -ac kernels)

[Chris Wright]

* Martin Aspeli (optilude@gmx.net) wrote:
> I've been trying the 2.6.0-test kernels, mostly for the speedstep support 
> (which appears to work). However, when I put ACPI in the kernel, all goes 
> wrong. Without ACPI, half my hardware is left IRQ-less. These are the 
> symptoms:

Which 2.6.0-test kernels?  Have you tried 2.6.0-test7?  A fix for this
type of problem went into -test7.

thanks,
-chris
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Re: Horrible ordeals with ACPI, APIC and HIGHMEM (2.6.0-test* and -ac kernels)

[Martin Aspeli]

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0700, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org> wrote:

> Which 2.6.0-test kernels?  Have you tried 2.6.0-test7?  A fix for this
> type of problem went into -test7.

Sadly, yes. My most recent and most comprehensive tests (today) were with 
the -test7 kernel. Could you give me some details as to what the fix is 
supposed to do and why it may not work?

Also, I'd still be interested to know - what is "events/0"? And why do 
things run like a 286 when I enable HIGHMEM?

I eye some hope here. Must say a life without linux is pretty empty 
(especially after my girlfriend left... you gotta reach for something; and 
a new guitar is a little off budget still). :-)

Martin

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Re: Horrible ordeals with ACPI, APIC and HIGHMEM (2.6.0-test* and -ac kernels)

[Chris Wright]

* Martin Aspeli (optilude@gmx.net) wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:05:23 -0700, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org> wrote:
> 
> > Which 2.6.0-test kernels?  Have you tried 2.6.0-test7?  A fix for this
> > type of problem went into -test7.
> 
> Sadly, yes. My most recent and most comprehensive tests (today) were with 
> the -test7 kernel. Could you give me some details as to what the fix is 
> supposed to do and why it may not work?

fixes acpi pci link allocation which could pick a bad irq causing an
interrupt storm.  typical symptom was hang on boot.  

If you see:

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 6 7 10 *11 12)
...
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 6

where the link is not enabled at the current setting (11 in this case,
marked by *), you might experience this kind of hang.

> Also, I'd still be interested to know - what is "events/0"?

events/0 is a kernel thread (keventd) used for scheduling work into process
context.  acpi uses keventd for handling acpi events, for example, so
runaway apci events will cause events/0 to chew up cpu.

> And why do 
> things run like a 286 when I enable HIGHMEM? 

I don't know, it shouldn't.

thanks,
-chris
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Re: Horrible ordeals with ACPI, APIC and HIGHMEM (2.6.0-test* and -ac kernels)

[Martin Aspeli]

> fixes acpi pci link allocation which could pick a bad irq causing an
> interrupt storm.  typical symptom was hang on boot.

Well, the hang only occurs when Local APIC was enabled. If Local APIC is 
taken out of the kernel, it boots, but events/0 starts eating my entire 
CPU and the fan is constantly on. I can't tell whether this is because 
events/0 is eating my CPU and hence it's running hot, or if it's 
(partially) unrelated.

I'm still a little lost as to what Local APIC does (apart from being an 
interrupt controller) or how it's related to ACPI (apart from obvious 
puns), or indeed whether or not my Penium-M has one.

You say stray ACPI events could cause keventd to chew CPU. It does seem 
likely. What would cause a runaway ACPI event? How would I stop one (apart 
 from acpi=off, of course, which leaves me IRQ less).

Conversely, I suppose - is it possible to give IRQs to my sound card and 
the four or five other unidentified pieces of hardware that get no IRQ at 
boot, manually even? I'm a little worried this may leave me fan-less, 
although the BIOS seems to be turning the fan on sometimes if I boot with 
acpi=off.

>> And why do things run like a 286 when I enable HIGHMEM?
> I don't know, it shouldn't.

I most whole-heartedly agree!

Thank you for all your help!

Martin

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