From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Bart Van Assche" <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Andrew Haley" <aph@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Is gcc thread-unsafe?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:39:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <p73d4v1pq50.fsf@bingen.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071026190856.18510fc4@the-village.bc.nu> (Alan Cox's message of "Fri\, 26 Oct 2007 19\:08\:56 +0100")
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:
>
> You can stop the compiler but not the CPU - and some processors will
> certainly speculatively load across conditionals, reorder writes etc
The difference is that the CPU knows how to cancel most[1] side effects
of these speculative accesses (e.g. by not issuing exceptions[2] etc.).
The compiler doesn't normally (except on some architectures with special support like IA64;
but I'm not sure gcc supports it there)
[1] In some it can't and we've had problems with that in the past. e.g. in
a few cases speculative reads can be a problem. But we generally fix or
workaround those cases in the code.
[2] Modulo hardware bugs -- see the hall of shame in x86_64 fault.c
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-26 20:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-10-26 14:40 ` Is gcc thread-unsafe? Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:34 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 18:06 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-30 10:20 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-02 15:29 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 15:38 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 15:13 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-04 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-04 17:58 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 18:06 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 17:18 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-26 21:45 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-26 22:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 17:07 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 17:12 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 18:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 20:39 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-10-28 18:19 linux
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2007-10-25 23:27 ` Robert Hancock
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-25 3:24 Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 3:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 3:58 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 4:29 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 4:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 18:45 ` Måns Rullgård
2007-10-25 4:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 9:40 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:44 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:54 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 7:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 11:58 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-25 12:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 22:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:42 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 1:15 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-26 4:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-10-25 23:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 15:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-25 21:42 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 23:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-26 11:59 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 11:59 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:39 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-25 22:26 ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-10-25 22:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25 23:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi
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