From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: alex14641@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] i386: always use 4k stacks
Date: 16 Nov 2005 13:57:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <p73oe4kpx6n.fsf@verdi.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1132137638.2834.29.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> writes:
> > I would like to contribute that listing with two non-technical reasons
> > more:
> >
> > * Encourages good code. Due to the 4 Kb stacks patch several parts of
> > the kernel have gone on diet, improving the quality of the code
>
> this argument I agree with. especially since 64 bit platforms have a
> higher stack footprint by nature (bigger call frames and more to store
> on the stack) and if x86 allows stackbloat, the other architectures get
> in trouble and are going to need really large stacks.
I think it's in general risky. It's like balancing without a safety
net. Might be a nice hobby, but for real production you want a safety
net. That's simple because there are likely some code paths through
the code that need more stack space and that are rarely hit (and
cannot be easily found by static analysis, e.g. if they involve
indirect pointers or particularly complex configuration setups). With
very tight stack space you're much nearer a crash in extreme
situations than otherwise.
So I think it's a bad idea to change this.
-Andi (who prefers to have safety nets)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-16 12:57 UTC|newest]
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2005-11-14 13:38 [2.6 patch] i386: always use 4k stacks Alex Davis
2005-11-14 14:49 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14 18:02 ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 18:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 18:18 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-14 18:22 ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 18:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 18:38 ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 19:28 ` Michael Buesch
2005-11-14 21:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-14 20:27 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-16 0:50 ` Alex Davis
2005-11-16 4:05 ` Cal Peake
2005-11-16 8:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 8:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-16 9:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-16 10:18 ` Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:18:12 +0100
2005-11-16 10:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 12:57 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2005-11-16 13:51 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 14:42 ` jmerkey
2005-11-16 15:18 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 15:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-16 15:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 16:10 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 18:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-16 19:03 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-11-16 19:08 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 20:46 ` Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:46:05 +0100
2005-11-17 2:01 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-17 0:06 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 22:50 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-16 22:54 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-17 0:28 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-17 4:06 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-17 0:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-17 4:05 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-14 18:29 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-14 19:00 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-14 19:18 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-11-14 19:47 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-14 22:33 ` Alan Cox
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2005-11-15 15:12 ` Paulo Marques
2005-11-15 1:09 ` Alex Davis
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2005-12-16 5:20 Alex Davis
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2005-11-15 9:31 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-15 9:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:36 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
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2005-11-15 13:18 ` Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:18:51 +0100
2005-11-15 13:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:46 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 18:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-15 22:27 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 23:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-18 11:40 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-18 19:51 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-18 23:32 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
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2005-11-17 21:34 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-19 1:33 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19 2:02 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-19 2:43 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19 3:22 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-19 3:38 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19 5:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-17 14:11 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-18 19:27 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-18 20:05 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-14 2:11 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-14 7:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 10:20 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 10:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 10:39 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 11:11 ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 11:24 ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 11:34 ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 12:00 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 12:04 ` Olivier Galibert
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